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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The rot goes back a long way, to Newt Gingrich. He broke any bilateral respect, which was the lynchpin of how the US system works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Yep, and I don't know how it can be cured. It seems the dynamic is, GOP pushes the envelope of what it can get away with, Democrats undo the damage. GOP politicians are in lockstep, Democrats the proverbial 'herd of cats.'

    Maybe dropping Biden for Harris and forcing the Democratic machine to get behind Harris is the best thing, that and beating CFTrump. Enough compromise and appeasement, CFTrump preys on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    "the world would be very different"

    Well the US would be very different.

    This is the fundamental problem of talking about another country's political systems. When we think of Xi or Putin, we think about their effects on the world, not their internal policies that don't affect us. Other country's leaders don't get a free pass for international failings because they happen to be good on social policies or whatever in their country.

    But with the US, we on this website are expected to care about US internal policies more than the external ones. Biden is great for Americans is fine on an American website, but this an Irish website, and I only really care about the external things. I judge Biden and Trump on the world stage, not on the US stage, and it's why shock horror I've found the Biden presidency to be worse, objectively even.

    Far too much emphasis is placed on the internal workings of the US and it's treated as a battleground for the world to argue over social issues, even when those same issues have been solved in a country like Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    It would would raise questions about Biden's first term if he did, at what point shouldnt he have had access to the "nuclear codes" for example, then there are personal financial and legal reasons, Biden is too old for the speaker circuit ;-) , any Dem Billionaires got 1/2 a billion to "invest" in a hunter scheme? lol

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I judge Biden presidency on the world stage too, I have zero doubt a Trump 2nd term Presidency would have been far far worse for Ireland, in the short and long term. And 2024-28 would be versus any other Democrat that continues usual Democratic or non-MAGA Republican policies.

    US isolationism with dictators on the march didn't work out well last time for Europe.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭eire4


    Agree with what your saying there and I will add a piece to it. Not only do the Republicans push things as far as they can get away with but then when Democrats get back in while they put the brakes on things and maybe roll a few things back they never roll it all the way back and so when the cycle starts again it starts from a worse point then previously until you get to where we are today where the Republicans now are an authoritarian party and what passes for democracy in the US is on life support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Senator Warren the progressive, has said that if Biden steps aside, then Kamela Harris is the one to run. 'People voted for the ticket, with her on it, four years ago, knowing she'd be the one stepping if anything befell Biden'.

    Very happy with Bidens record, not perfect by any means, but both internally and on the world stage, he has been a colossus compared to pigmy Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Those dictators are on the march under Biden.

    I think Trump handled Kim perfectly. He developed thermonuclear weapons so he went over and said hi like he should have. Biden would have postured from American soil and made matters worse because his politics and those of his followers would never allow a meeting that "legitimised" North Korea. You probably see what he did as bad and sucking up to dictators, I see it as realpolitik and afterwards, things quietened down.

    Putin invaded before and after Trump, under Democrats. This is the most obvious statement of fact but disregarded entirely and allegations that Trump would let Putin run all over Europe are just thrown out willy nilly even though it didn't happen in the four years he was president. "Oh but Trump recognised Crimea"

    Israel? "But trump would have done worse because he said to get the job done faster" even though that literally means peace faster and the full quotes show that's exactly what he meant. Biden is still supplying them with arms and he threatened the ICC for investigating war crimes. "Oh but Trump moved an embassy"

    Afghanistan? A disaster thanks to bad short-term planning, but blamed on Trump. Few actually disagree with Trump's policy of getting out of there, they just hate how it was done. But yeah, Trump blamed even though the generals in charge blame the White House for it.

    There is simply no way in 2016 that I could lay out the mess that is geopolitics right now and you say "That all happened under a Democrat", and then list out what happened under Trump and say that it all happened under him. Practically everything shlt internationally in the last eight years has been under Biden and I find it is absolutely remarkable that you will respond to this saying it was all Trump's fault.

    My biggest issue, and why I argue about American politics, is because the Democrats think they can do whatever the fuk they want and their supporters are like Yeah A OK just because Trump is in the background and can be blamed for everything. It pisses me off because I do not identify with any Republican ideals and all I see is the Democrats fuking everything up, either in the run for a presidency or when president. I think it was you who argued you would never play "two sides" by disagreeing with anything the Democrats do and that is a serious issue in American politics in my mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nowhere did I say it was all Trump's fault. That is a strawman argument, and you don't have much of an argument if you have to invent such a misrepresentation.

    This is what I wrote:

    I judge Biden presidency on the world stage too, I have zero doubt a Trump 2nd term Presidency would have been far far worse for Ireland, in the short and long term. And 2024-28 would be versus any other Democrat that continues usual Democratic or non-MAGA Republican policies.

    I don't think the Democrats think they can do what they want. I see the Democrats engaging with historic US allies on major issues, whether that is security or economic issues. I see continuity in their policies with previous administrations, Democrat and non-MAGA Republican ones. It is not perfect, but it does not concern me.

    I see Trump's form of Republicanism doing whatever they want at home and abroad, without regard to its impact on global security, economic relationships. That concerns me.

    It takes a very limited form of engagement with world affairs to simply look at 2016-2020 and pretend the situation was the same as 2020-2024. Nothing you have listed there is any reason to think a Trump presidency would be better.

    We can see how Trump released 5000 Taliban militia men in Afghanistan - how was that going to create a stable situation in Afghanistan? That was the mess Trump left Biden with.
    Likewise we can see how he approached Ukraine, without regard for US national interest, security in Europe… denying them aid because they wouldn't go along with a scurrilous muck raking exercise against a domestic political opponent.
    We cannot discuss the Ukraine situation in detail on this thread, but on that thread you will see multiple posts explaining why a Biden or similar Democrat is preferred.

    Nothing I have seen from Trump gives me any trust that he would behave responsibly to a crisis in Europe.

    Dictators are on the march, the type of US isolationism advocated by Trump won't deter them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't believe that the US would be isolationist as a rule under a Trump government. What's being mistaken as isolationism is really just a redesign of the US's strategic global vision. One aspect of that would be no more interest in defending liberal democracy in Europe. This is not a civic that Trump is interested in promoting or protecting. That's also why he boils the NATO arrangement down to a simple monetary transaction. There's nothing else in it for him, and I suspect that were every member to meet their target of 2 percent GDP or whatever it is, Trump would simply double the figure and continue the criticism anyway.

    But while MAGA might not want to protect Europe, if Trump were to suggest a redeployment of US military assets to, say, the northern provinces of Mexico in order to stop the flow of drugs and migrants, you can believe they'd be all over that. 'Gung-ho' wouldn't be the word.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    After midnight where I am but I may respond to that tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭calculator


    That's what I just can't understand. Why is there no plan? These people are all well educated, they could foresee Biden becoming sick (or worse). I can't believe they didn't have a plan B in drawer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,375 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is isolationism in the sense it is no longer the case that the world can rely on the US to maintain the 'rules based order' around the globe, or to be an advocate for liberal democracy. Its default position would be isolationism.

    There wouldn't be much 'global strategic vision' in putting troops in northern Mexico. That would be the opposite of any global strategic vision, it would be a narrow local one.

    It is a rehash of the 1930s America First, and short sighted at that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The mad fucker might actually not drop out…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    'Oh no, the Dem's are to blame because they said Trump would do something, and he did it'.

    Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You don’t seem to have an issue with a convicted criminal and a rapist who tried to destroy the Republic in a coup with nuclear codes

    An imbecile who cosied up to biggest scum like Putin and Kim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Jesus personally deflected the path of the bullet, Trump isn't going anywhere…he is the chosen one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭briany


    After that near a miss, I'd say even Trump is beginning to believe in the whole divine intervention angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, lest we forget, published photos of the Marine who carried the football, at an event a Mar-a-Lardo, putting that lad at some (minimal, admittedly) risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Those 10 days Don Don spent missing in action at 'Mar-A-Whatsit', might just have been for him to rehearse and practise all of that kind of thing. I even have it on good account that he won't let anyone see the medical records of his ear for a good 'reason'.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,927 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd suspect they'll deny all crimes.. iirc they think the election was rigged too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭mattser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Recent comment I saw about removing Biden ‘I wish the Democrats were this united and got this much coverage over literally anything else’
    This video is long but well worth a watch. AOC outlines the legal obstacles to removing Biden and the real elephant in the room, funding. If Biden and Harris are removed from the ticket the the campaign funding rules mean that the $100 million they have cannot be transferred to the new ticket. Fundraising will have to start from scratch.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,665 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    While I don’t agree with all of what you’ve said, I agree with the key sentiment that using Trump as a scapegoat for the ills you’ve outlined either in America or around the world is ill informed at best.

    American presidents actually have less power than people think - for me the most important thing they do is influence positively or negatively the general mood of the nation and also the world stage. Ignoring dictators is probably the worst thing you can do - speaking to them opens up channels of communication and over time more likely than not reduces the chances of threat. It also shows that you’re not afraid of them. It’s definitely something worth trying .

    If Trump does get in it will be interesting to see just how he manages Putin/Ukraine - there’s going to have to be compromise on both sides if we’re to see an end to it - I don’t like that idea personally but I’m a realist - Ukraine is falling very slowly, house by house street by street. Into Russias hands- it’s slow and painful to watch but give it enough time it will happen- only so many Ukrainian soldiers left to fight- only so many requests for more military aid left to grant - it needs a strong hand to guide it to a conclusion now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The alternative is losing the last election before the US republic is destroyed

    In meantime all donations to democrats have halted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    AOC is a very very competent elected official and comes across as very hardworking also.

    I'd love to see the Party look to herself, Buttigieg and a few more in terms of policy for the next 30 years but the fact that she will likely play the Bernie role if she manages to avoid being targeted by the likes of AIPAC in primaries says just how much of a lie it is to call the Democrat party a radical socialist party. It's barely Left of Centre in many ways, AOC and Bernie therefore stick out like sore thumbs while they themselves are very pragmatic in terms of political ideologies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,736 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You're assuming there that Putin would be more than happy to keep what he has stolen from Ukraine and that would be the end of his imperial ambitions. But almost everyone in the former Soviet Bloc thinks he is far from finished with the land grabs - listen to what the likes of the Baltic states, Poland, Moldova, Georgia, Kazakhstan etc have to say about Putin. He would invade all of them at 9am tomorrow morning if he thought he could get away with it.



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