Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

"Joe Biden stepping down is just the start of a whole heap of new problems"

Joe Biden being president until 2029 is its own set of problems. Winning the election is one thing but there is a tunnel vision about it. Vietnam's leader just died of natural causes at the ripe old age of 80 and I swear looked to be in better shape when he met Xi last December than Biden looks today.

Biden really shouldn't be president if the Democrats can offer an alternative. An 85-year-old can be president but not an 85-year-old Biden. Too many things are happening in the world. He will make a mess of the debate in September and that will seal the election because people will not go out and vote for a physically weak president.

I don't think she has any information which suggests another candidate can win but in fairness to her, you can't know what another candidate's chances are until you actually run with them and give them a chance to campaign. The logic of "let's stick with someone who will more than likely lose because we don't know if anyone else can win" is fundamentally flawed and is exactly the kind of staid, fearful strategy that has so far led them to being outwitted and outflanked at every turn in this electoral cycle by the Republicans under Trump.

Whether or not one thinks Biden is entitled to that data before making a decision really comes to whether or not one thinks Biden is entitled to run at all.

There was an intentional deceit to hide his condition, presumably led by him and his closest companions, and that has now been laid bare for all to see and people are telling him to step aside. He should do the right thing, with or without perfect data showing some other Democrat will definitely win.

What exactly is that condition? Old age? He's old. He stammers. He looked dreadful in the debate.

He'll still make a FAR better president than his opponent.

People become too old to lead, and that happens to some earlier than others. His team tried to hide the extent and impact of his aging, and by doing so, have left the party in a messy situation with an almost guaranteed loss.

Americans vote every four years and the primary for an incumbent isn't a real primary with actual competition. I don't think Biden has any moral right to take it for granted or believe he is entitled to be the candidate in 2024 because he won in 2020. I don't think it is fair to Democrat voters. The material and obvious concern about the change of his physical condition, with all the calls to drop out coming from his own party, is unheard of.

I don't think she has any information which suggests another candidate can win

Well that's a big problem, it's a pertinent question Biden, his campaign team and his supporters are to entitled to ask.

It's the main question.

The logic of "let's stick with someone who will more than likely lose because we don't know if anyone else can win" is fundamentally flawed

If you black and white it.

It could be the democrats have no chance whoever they put forward and whoever that may be may negatively effect down stream elections.

If for instance Trump was to open a more commanding lead over Kamala or whoever, then the hard core Biden supporters which number in the 10s of millions will be outraged.

Whoever you put forward is finished as a viable candidate for the future.

We are about to find out though, barring a miracle Joe is gone, unless he gets a bounce from his own party trying to "persuade" him to leave.

Heavyweights, like Pelosi and O'Bama, Schumer wouldn't be leaning on Biden unless they thought another candidate has a better chance

They also thought Clinton had a better chance.

Sheesh, it was a joke. It wasn't a campaign strategy ffs

Gallows humour is all ye folks have these days.

Desperate and hopeless describe Joe Biden's campaign alright.

Your argument about possible candidates not wanting to shoot their shot in this electoral cycle rests on the assumption that there will be an open election in 2028 and that assumption in turn rests on particularly shaky ground since Trump and his acolytes will likely look to fundamentally reshape the US government to the extent that they're allowed, and the extent that they're allowed looks considerably further than it would have been four years ago with a sympathetic Supreme Court and the potential for a civil service restaffed with people not with a loyalty to the US constitution and the ideals of liberal democracy, rather with a personal loyalty to one Donald J. Trump and will pull whatever strings they can in order to keep him and cronies in power in perpetuity.

We're not talking about the usual political games, here. We are talking about the potential fall of US democracy as it has been known, so if Newsom, Whitmer et al, are waiting until until 2028, they're idiots.

The Democrats don't seem to have a plan for anything - not a plan for how to defeat Trump in the election and not a plan for how to resist what Trump's team wants to do in the wake of his election. They're fúcked.

Yes, Trump dismantling US democracy will be the Democrats' fault. /s

Unlikely.

And if you go back further, the supreme court wouldn't be so stacked had Ruth Bader Ginsburg stepped down. Like Biden possibly, staying on too long and handing power to Republicans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/rbg-retirement-obama.html

The Quiet 2013 Lunch That Could Have Altered Supreme Court History

President Obama met with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, hinting at retirement, but the art of nudging justices off the court is politically delicate and psychologically complicated.

Sounds pretty similar to the last couple of weeks and I can imagine articles such as that being written a couple of years from now.

Reassuring. /s