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The decline of SF?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Not every home owner is some right winger who hates paying tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sinn Fein are populist

    Also: Sinn Fein are not populist.

    Confused? Stay tuned for more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,938 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nobody is confused about SF at all.

    Thats their problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah here

    Nobody wants to pay more tax and cerrainly not death duties

    The policies purpose would be a short lived hole plugger in the costing of a manifesto,never to see the statute books but would it alienate a lot of people,yes

    I see Mary lou has upped the anti against her anti imigrant vote eating parasites by highlighting death threats from some of their followers as if she was the only one getting them

    She made a point of saying they were trying to alienate SF's core vote and in doing so it has helped to be sticking the Ireland for the Irish crowd with the looney assasin label

    This should win back a lot of supporters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,317 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What a silly little boy Pearse is when it comes to public policy. If he was submitting a Junior Cert essay on his policies he would fail.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,317 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The problem with being populist is that sooner or later you get found out. You can only swing so many times before you catch something fatal.

    That is where SF are now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I see Mary lou has upped the anti against her anti imigrant vote eating parasites by highlighting death threats from some of their followers as if she was the only one getting them

    That is just a pathetic way to have something negative to say about her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They all are from time to time Clo, that is what the factual records show. Government party incompetence has plunged us into crisis across society. From debilitating crashes to crisis in housing and health etc.

    Of course you only recognise and rant about it in one party as part of your pro government parties crusade.

    An unreliable analysis therefore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    something something "insert another party name" something something

    broken record comes to mind



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Ridiculous. Plenty of people agree with qealth taxes. Its a foundation of any party who claims to be left wing. The idea that a left wing party that has left wing policies isn't as shocking as you think it is.

    Look if you want to make fun of politicians receiving death threats then fair enough. I'll skip that one myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Your own point was a 'comparison' Clo.

    You might like to think it wasn't but to call them incompetent while blithely ignoring actual incompetence by parties actually implementing policy, rubbishes the integrity and credibility of anything you have to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Theres many and theres not that many

    The latter would be Ireland going on the strength of party's to date that have advocated it,could you get a better idea of support than that

    Some peoples idealism,is most peoples 'nah don't agree with that',so what would wealth taxes chances be of getting into a programme of government here,nil

    Its there for accounting purposes in a manifesto and do you know going no further



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is not surprising Mary Lou McD on her social media posts yesterday spoke at length about the threat against her : only this morning did I hear on another news channel that she was not the only one threatened : Drew Harris was as well for example. Policemen on this island are well used to having a threat made against them by an individual, unfortunately. All threats now or in the past should be condemned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What's not surprising is the inability of some to call out this threat without qualifying it with a negative against her.
    She is not one of the selective victims so beloved by some.
    Sad really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    All threats against all individuals were and are wrong. There was an alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    MLMD has threatened nobody.

    Every single public representative on these islands commemorates or even celebrates and certainly justifies threats and violence against others if there was reason in their eyes. That is just a factual reality of who we are on these islands and even in the world.

    You don't agree with some peoples reasons and you are entitled to that view.

    You cannot call out this threat without the implication that she deserves it because of the actions of people who came before her, which is pretty appalling and nasty.

    For instance, imagine if you qualified a threat against a FFer by saying they stand over and celebrate the violence around the foundation of this state, so they shouldn't be surprised?

    You'd rightly be criticised for having that view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,317 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nonsense.

    MLMD supports a terrorist campaign that issued numerous death threats against politicians and carried them out. The targets ranged from a FG protestant politician to the UK's Mountbatten where they actually achieved their threat and to others such as various Taoisigh and Prime Ministers where they didn't.

    MLMD's deputy leader believes that these death threats were necessary and MLMD hasn't demurred. I am sure that the person making the death threats against MLMD also believes his death threats are necessary as do his supporters.

    We can therefore divide this discussion into two camps, those who believe death threats against politicians are wrong, full stop and those who nauseatingly and hypocritically consider some death threats against politicians to be ok. I stand with the former, it appears that yourself and MLMD stand with the latter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Nobody claimed MLMD threatened anybody. The threat was against MLMD and Drew Harris, head of the Gardai. The foundation of the state was over a century ago so no living politician can be blamed for being associated with anyone alive then. All threats against all individuals were and are wrong. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sickening really.
    As I said, every politician on these islands stands behind the violence, threats and bloodshed they thought was necessary to achieve certain outcomes or aims.

    You as usual want it everyway.

    MLMD has not harmed or threatened anyone, and is fully signed up to democratic means. Same as the leaders of parties that commemorate and celebrate violence and bloodshed and 'terrorism' in this state, not to mention our neighbours.

    MLMD is not one of your selective victims, this we know. Your hypocrisy is on show again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Leo told RTÉ yesterday that he asked security not to tell him about all his death threats anymore as you'd never go out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,317 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Only certain politicians stand behind death threats to other politicians. MLMD has no problem with the death threats to Margaret Thatcher, she has no problem with the death sentence carried out on Billy Fox following his death threat. Along with the rest of her party, that puts her in a different category to normal politicians.

    I am leaving it there, it is plain to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They all stand behind death threats and death if it is in their interests. Unless Michael Collins picture hanging in the Taoiseach's office is for throwing darts at, that is.

    We all accept that Collins et was operating in a war/conflict situation which led us to a better place as do those who now overwhelmingly support SF. The conflict/war they were involved in is over for a quarter of a century now and SF are a legitimate, democratic political party.

    Your unbridled hate has led you to this juncture. Just as well you are stepping away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Michael Collins and all those other people from over 100 years ago are not in politics now, and are many generations ago. Different times. Just as the American wild west was different times.

    Some of the people who were heavily involved a certain party during the troubles, and who had no trouble or qualms with death threats and worse to Thatcher, Tebbit, Neave, Fox, Bradford, Edgar Graham etc are still heavily involved in the same party now. And to this day say there was "no alternative." That is why I agree with :

    That is all not just within living memory but within the same careers of many people.

    I said I am of the opinion all threats now or in the past should be condemned.

    Anyway I am leaving it there too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,612 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The conflict/war is over for a quarter of a century.

    Nobody in the major parties of this state distanced themselves or condemned the violence it took to establish and still don't.

    No different to present members of SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah here now,there are better ways to allow for the tacit acceptance amongst some (but far from all) nationalists of the provisional IRA campaign of the 70s 80s and 90's and why it happened up north than comparing it with present day parties adoration of the 1916 rising

    The latter was over a 100 years ago,no victims of it are alive.Women had no vote,there was no tv or radio beaming it into homes

    The heroes involved managed to win independence albeit blighted by a still unresolved gerrymandered partition

    Regardless,it's all about the Belfast leadership getting that UI referendum now to set the course for resolving the problem

    It's unfortunate the imposter tri colour usurper anti immigrant gurriers have managed to canibalise the protest vote away from Sinn Féin but this will come back,the party review will have strategised a way to retrieve it by now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I skimmed over Mary Lou's letter this evening and thought it was a bit tone deaf. What did ye think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,455 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    They are about 18 months behind what their typical voter is thinking, whoever is doing their PR or advising them of policy should get the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It came across as "we're listening even though the government isn't"...

    But

    "We want to provide you the investment and services you need and help you with integration in your community".

    Completely ignoring the fact that Coolock clearly wants natural immigration not huge IPA/Asylum complexs especially involving all men.

    Don't want to get into that but at this rate I can see SF making slight gains at the next GE especially if they tone back the immigration rhetoric. But as you all know they've missed a golden opportunity to dominate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    There's little to no wide demand for the type of nonsense the protesters at Coolock are demanding.



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