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The decline of SF?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    And that proves what a huge difference there is between SF voters north of the border and voters south of the border. The MP they elected in Fermanagh South Tyrone will not even condemn the Omagh and Enniskillen bombings, which murdered some of her fellow innocent nurses. Most people here will condemn those atrocities. The decline of SF is shown by the fact it is 2 such different parties / electorates North and South.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,611 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    75,000 first preference votes on what was a bad day for SF will keep the heads up.

    Ferris has a lifetime of service to the party behind him, hardly a 'draftee', even if you don't like him.

    I agree that polls are only fleeting and government parties are wary of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The govt arent inflating rents. They are trying to cap the growth of rental prices.

    The price of rent is dictated by the market, not by the government and not by investment funds.

    A SF led govt would reduce the number of new home starts/completions and therefore continue to drive rent prices upwards, as supply of new rental homes contracts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    The government are the biggest leasers of private sector homes in the country built by the private sector. Any idiot can tell you that having a new housing development funded by a pension fund etc where 50 percent of it is being payed for with inflated rent prices by the local county council is having a massive effect on rent inflation. The market is being driven by the government and investment funds at present if you believe otherwise you are extremely naive or just a Fg/ff lackie. It's another Ponzi scheme. We will see who is right .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The local councils have to pay the going rate for rent, just like everyone else does, in order to avail of the property.

    Again, the rental price for property is dictated by the market, not by the govenrnment or any other state/private body.

    Where the government certianly could do more to manage rent prices is by scaling up their own building programme and leaving the private sector market well alone.

    Difficult to do in terms of hiring staff required to enable this, but local councils have largely absolved the task of building social homes to the private sector & that policy in itself has caused a slow down in construction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,316 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The problems in Dublin have been compounded by the complete failure of Dublin City Council during the period from 2014 to 2019 when they failed to develop any social housing despite copious amounts of finance being available from the government. Dublin has been playing catch-up ever since.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I am aghast at people predicting vote rises or declines with certainty.

    Lots of commentators said FF were slipping only to see them rise about 6%higher than opinion polls.

    The likelihood is SF will do better than 12% at the locals but they will hardly reach the 25%they got in 2020. They'd be very lucky to reach 18%

    Martin ferris can stare at the results all he likes. SF can twist and turn all they like but doing what they did in 2020 is unlikely.

    They made a terrible mistake in not seeing the immigration issue coming down the tracks. It showed real disdain for their working class supporters who were sick of refugees being housed in their areas. It was clear since Ireland went over board with taking in refugees from Ukraine that the worm would turn in a short period of time.

    I could have saved the gun runner weeks of work. Your core support is somewhere around 15-18%. A lot support over that is very soft and made up of people who really had not thought it through.

    I'm not anti SF I'd like to see them in government with FG or FF but on their own I wouldn't trust them. They inately hate the middle classes.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Mary lou still not getting it on immigration. She should either go for a zero refugee policy or just forget it.

    Concentrate on other issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    New policy will be out in 10 days. That may stabilise the losses and turn the ship, but that will take time as the change flagged will lack credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    There's little to no real support for anti immigration parties in Ireland. SF chasing that percentage of vote seems like a very poor tactic.

    Post edited by Augme on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    I see people before profit are looking for a formal electoral pact ahead of the election

    Yeah if I was a median income FF leaning voter with ambition to grow my career and salary,that would really push me to SF,I'd be really happy and confident that I'd be keeping more of my salary…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I see MLMCD has done some contrition, not listening to the grassroots and not fully engaged enough, she's told:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sinn-fein-chiefs-disappointed-with-my-grassroots-engagement-admits-mcdonald/ar-BB1pWVC5



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    MLMD turning more right-wing on migration it seems.

    @FrancieBrady told us he would abandon them if they did this. Will he be true to his word?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,611 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When you have a penchant for misquoting people you can make me say anything.

    You are leaving out a crucial word 'far'.

    I said I wouldn't vote for any party that is far right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No chance

    The poster also claimed he wouldn't vote for a party that would be a mud guard for the other parties. When it was pointed out that exactly what they will be they jumped around on that one :-)

    Don't you know they used to vote for FG 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,611 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jumped where exactly?

    You decided they'd be a mudguard, which isn't a fact no matter how much you revere your own opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭dublin49


    hard to see how this can be said with any confidence given no major party has offered an anti immigration offer,I believe SF are losing support because their supporters have a much harder attitude to immigration than SF are currently offering.Mary Lou has tried to lead her supporters into the pro immigration camp and they have not followed,she may need to pivot to representing her supporters rather than her current position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    The results from the locals and Europeans do give an indication of where the votes went. They seemed to go independent Ireland, Renua and then the lunatic far right parties. The first right lunatics hate all foreigners. If they chase after that vote, they'll actually be giving up on their true core left wing support and they will also isolate themselves form every other left wing party in Ireland. SF have always traditionally been pro asylum seekers and immigration. As I said, any lurch to the right and they really need to think what the consequences of that will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,316 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So you would be happy to vote for a party to the right of FG and FF on immigration, but that they wouldn't be far right?

    Are you having a laugh?

    Sinn Fein are going to pivot to the right, to an immigration policy that Farage would love. You will swallow it and continue to walk the party line, despite everything you have said on the subject.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I'm not so sure. Independent Ireland had a very good election. They are clearly anti immigration. Look at their Web site. I could see them getting a surge of votes. I could also other anti immigrant parties getting a few seats. Remember SF in 2020 elected people to the Dail who could not win a local election.

    Thus the electorate is volatile and while the trend of FF/FG getting early 20s is probably right and SF will do better than the locals by at least 5%there's potential for anti immigrant Tds



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    The vast majority of the electorate don't want refugees . No mainstream party has agreed with this position.

    Parties like the national party don't have a huge media presence. At the best times it's hard for a new party to break through. Plus a lot of voters might think them a bit nuts.

    IND Ireland came out various independents. It's debatable if it could be called a normal party but then again the same could be said about SF. While SF are a dictatorship in terms of how the party is run-Ind ire has no whip system and is thin on policy.

    However they are clearly anti refugee and respectable enough to attract voters.

    I get the impression that SF are distrusted by the rest of the left and vice a versa. They could easily tack right on immigration but unlikely to be taken seriously if they did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    So, you don't see SF forming an election pact with PBP?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    No. A left pact would require agreeing to never enter government with FF or FG. I'm not sure SDP or Lab would even agree that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭MrRigsby


    75% of people think Ireland is a soft touch on immigration. The anti immigration vote is huge , they just need a big party to vote for instead of loads of independents and small groups



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,423 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The number of people who consider it a core issue when selecting who to vote for is tiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,316 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't think that there is any chance of that anymore.

    The forthcoming reinvention of Sinn Fein as a right-wing anti-immigrant nationalist party will have more in common with Le Pen and Farage than with the likes of RBB and Paul Murphy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    A left wing socialist party is never going to take an anti immigration stance.

    It seems everyone has known this from day 1, apart from SF voters.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SF finance maestro Pearse Doherty out today saying they will increase inheritance tax, opposing FG/FF plans to increase the tax free thresholds.

    They really do not want to be elected do they?

    https://www.thejournal.ie/pearse-doherty-sinn-fein-inheritance-tax-6439292-Jul2024/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    It will not solidify the vote amongst the 7 out of 10 householders who own their own home anyhow will it

    Its probably only there to shore up budgetry figures for spending plans they have somewhere anyhow which wouldn't be needed in a coalition, never mind death duties increases finding their way into a programme for govrrnment anyway,basically political waffle best describes that ?



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