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Why are the government intent on forcing through the EU Migration Pact?

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  • #92
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,832 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308205#Comment_122308205

    But not all EU countries are in agreement, Ireland opting in could be flooded with IPAs yes flooded and we can't cope as it is

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #93
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308299#Comment_122308299

    Because that is not remotely the democratic system that we have in Ireland or have ever had. It's frankly a painfully stupid question. It's like claiming they "slyly" pass the budget every year.



  • #94
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,832 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308301#Comment_122308301

    I got from Bebo, happy, I do not own these images, full disclaimer 😉

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #95
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308325#Comment_122308325

    What part of the pact changes the current situation and what are your concerns?



  • #96
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308263#Comment_122308263

    Can you explain, why you don't explain?

    Your questions have already been answered.

    You're doing this in every thread



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  • #97
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308191#Comment_122308191

    The current government has 84 TD's, so it looks like 5 government TD's did not vote yes and they might have abstained. I wonder who the 5 are?



  • #98
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,832 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308091#Comment_122308091

    How does the pact help me or future generations exactly, give me your "pros list" on it please?

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #99
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308356#Comment_122308356

    How does it affect you? I am not the one here railing against it.



  • #100
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,135 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308329#Comment_122308329

    Not even remotely equivalent.

    The budget is how Irish taxes are spent to benefit the country.

    Signing up to this pact is seceding part of our sovereignty.

    The description of it being passed "slyly" is also a fair one.

    I have been following this and I had no clue that it was happening tonight. It seems many other people have been caught unawares as well.



  • #101
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308346#Comment_122308346

    No need to wonder it will be put up here
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/votes/?debateType=dail



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  • #102
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308374#Comment_122308374

    Signing up to this pact is seceding part of our sovereignty.

    No it isn't, because if it was it would require a referendum. There being famously case law on this.

    How is passing something in a public vote in our national legislature doing something slyly? Claiming that is the height of absurdity. It came to a vote the same way every bill does.



  • #103
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,901 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Bringing more people into a country with no housing for anyone is a bad idea regardless of who they are or why they're here, particularly when there is no plan in place to increase the supply of housing.

    The one driving force behind the rise of far right groups across Europe has been the introduction of IPA's, go back a couple of decades and the far right existed but without any popular support, now they are almost being made to look reasonable in the face of Europe's attitude towards migration.

    Europe would be better off forging trade deals and assisting the improvement of countries these IPA's are coming from. Whatever about wanting to do the "right thing" you can't just funnel endless numbers of people into European countries and expect it to all go swimmingly.

    So what does the Irish Government do next? Buy another job lot of tents? More funding for NGO's handing the tents out and moving the people inside from pillar to post with promises of free permanent housing as a light at the end of the tunnel?

    Before we get the "sure the Irish went everywhere" argument, we never went anywhere and had things handed to us on a plate. This is a modern notion that people can rock up into another country and just be given things for nothing and it certainly doesn't mirror the experience of Irish emigrants or any other nationality who had to go to other countries and actually work for living, including the many skilled workers from all over the world in this very country right now.

    Glazers Out!



  • #104
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,135 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308377#Comment_122308377

    When you sign up to a legal obligation that specifies that you have to take in a potentially unbounded amount of people into your country, that is clearly weakening the sovereignty of your country.



  • #105
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308404#Comment_122308404

    How many are allowed in currently?



  • #106
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,901 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308404#Comment_122308404

    How long will it be before people are being offered payment to house these IPA's in their "spare rooms"?

    It'd probably be cheaper for the clowns in the Dail to pay for Air bnbs for these people at this stage.

    Glazers Out!



  • #107
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308404#Comment_122308404

    Could you point me to where the pact claims that? Like what are the specific points about it that say we have to take in an unbounded amount of people?

    Mind you, you could argue exactly the same about the UN convention on Refugees and I don't remember the referendum on that either.

    You could argue that every international treaty "weakens" sovereignty to some degree, even simple trade deals. The courts do not agree however and we have given the government the right to handle our foreign and domestic policy with regard to these issues.



  • #108
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,832 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Sinn Féin has repeatedly called on the Government to opt out of the majority of the pact’s provisions, claiming the hands of future Irish governments will be tied.

    Party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said the Government’s failure to opt out of any aspect of the pact is a “dangerous erosion” of Irish sovereignty.

    Ms McDonald said that in dealing with taxation, foreign affairs and migration, “power should remain with the Irish Government”.

    Why have MLMD and SF not been voicing their stance long before now FFS

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #109
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308415#Comment_122308415

    Would not surprise one bit if the Gov started to force those with spare rooms in their homes to take these chancers in.



  • #110
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭bloopy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308433#Comment_122308433

    Too busy trying to balance on the fence.



  • #111
    bigroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Why would anyone go against the general population.

    They are paid or they are promised things.

    Self serving greedy people.



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  • #112
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308437#Comment_122308437

    It would not surprise you one bit if the govt took a wildly unconstitutional action that they have not once ever even remotely intimated they are even considering? Personally I'd find that quite surprising.



  • #113
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,135 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308427#Comment_122308427

    The pact specifies a percentage as the number of claimants that we must take. That percentage can then be increased by a qualified majority in Europe.



  • #114
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308443#Comment_122308443

    The way this Gov is has acted recently, nothing would surprise me, anything is possible.



  • #115
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    This island is completely and totally f**ked. While I was at work this morning I overheard RTE discussing how all the incoming MEP's now had to sanctify the votes to get Van der Leyen to retain the presidency of the European Union, even though the vast majority of these MEP's stated in their election manifesto's that they wouldn't support her, but now, according to RTE, these newly elected MEP's had to support her because if they didn't "Micheal McGrath may not get a EU Commissioner portfolio". So now, the very facet of what constitutes democratic manifestos in order for representatives to get elected is literally thrown out of the f**king window two weeks after the fact, because some Irish politician may not get a lush portfolio if his own indigenous gang don't do what they are told. And we have numpties up in here questioning why people are concerned about this f**kery and these are the same numpties calling out the people doing the questioning as "extremists" "far right" etc. There's a far right alright, its the f**king establishment and the Irish people would do well to wake up.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #116
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308467#Comment_122308467

    I can help you here. None of what you wrote is remotely true and at several points just completely misrepresents how the EU system works to the point of being lies.

    (well, maybe you did hear it on RTÉ and that's not a lie, but whoever was saying it was talking nonsense)



  • #117
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308472#Comment_122308472

    Well, you help educate me then Podge, because if what you say is true, then what RTE, the public service broadcaster, was stating this morning, along with Varadkar was literally lies. So show us how they were literally lying to the nation.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #118
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,232 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308462#Comment_122308462

    not as far fetched as you think.



  • #119
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,832 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308340#Comment_122308340

    We could be forced to take in unprecedented numbers, tent camps then could be set up in more cities and even towns, villages, desecration of tourism etc., it is all in the hands of the EU now

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #120
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308479#Comment_122308479
    1. FG are members of the EPP, the same as VdL and she is in fact their candidate
    2. FF are members of Renew, who had supported VdL last time around
    3. Labour are members of S&D, who had supported VdL last time around
    4. That is 9 of our 14 MEPs elected who are part of membership groups that supported the EPP candidate in the last Commission and I am unaware of any of them claiming they would not support another VdL presidency
    5. the remaining 5 MEPs most likely will not support the VdL presidency and will face absolutely zero pressure to do so (the above three groupings can approve her in the parliament)
    6. The Irish government appoints our Commissioner, it was nothing to do with VdL. He is then defacto appointed to an EU Commissioner portfolio
    7. 4 out of 7 VPs from the outgoing Commission were from parties that did not support VdL's nomination. Not supporting the Commission in Parliament is in no way an inhibitor to key portfolios.


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  • #121
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308504#Comment_122308504

    Well, you'd want to listen to this nonsense then, which was on this morning, involving OUR public service broadcaster and a former FG Taoiseach, who never once called them out on the untruths you claim they were espousing.

    But I'm the untrustworthy, lying extremist far right entity, yeah?

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/today-with-claire-byrne/2024/0626/1456773-today-with-claire-byrne-wednesday-26-june-2024/

    The F**king game is up podge.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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