Why are the government intent on forcing through the EU Migration Pact?

skimpydoo

Why are the government intent on forcing through the EU Migration Pact, when we alongside Denmark have an opt out? Denmark are using their opt out as per their citizens wishes, and our government is going against our wishes by not using our opt out. Why are they going against the Irish citizens and doing something that the majority in Ireland don't agree with?

Last night the government once more showed their true colours on this as seen below.

https://x.com/caulmick/status/1803669412530024839

Democracy not on action.

dublin49

The default position of any Irish Government is "lets be good little Europeans"

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356678/why-are-the-government-intent-on-forcing-through-the-eu-migration-pact

Going against your wishes. You don't speak for everyone.

Which parts of the pact do you have issues with?

Which parts do you agree with?

lmao10

Are you the same guy who thought the far right was "the 90%" when they got 0.4% of the vote?

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284279#Comment_122284279

No you have the wrong person.

mulbot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284221#Comment_122284221

That's why we need a referendum on it, to see what the majority think

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284221#Comment_122284221

I think we should limit how many refugees we allow in the country as we can't even look after all of our own and an inadequate health service doesn't help either.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284291#Comment_122284291

We will never get that under the current government as they know they will lose it.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284299#Comment_122284299

We will never get it because we do not govern by idiotic advisory referenda.

You elected TDs to govern within the framework of the Constitution.

Angeleena

Any Government that is FF and especially FG are desperate or determined to show how diverse and multicultural the country is.

That is why we have 20% of the current population born to non-Irish here or abroad.

I'm certainly not against immigration but I don't know would I hand out so many work visas. Is it because employers want cheap labour?

As for asylum seekers the system was a **** joke since the Anchor Baby problem from 1999 - 2004 (I think or was it 2005). However almost 80% of the population voted no to that yet they still haven't a good asylum seeking process in this country. That is even before the war in Ukraine where we took in over 100,000 Ukrainians. I'm not giving out about them but it's just we now also have "tent city".

Apparently at one stage 80% of deportation order were not enforced. People know that Ireland is a soft touch.

I think this EU Migration Pact should be put to a public vote but little EU lickarses like FG won't do that, as they know that immigration and housing are such sensitive and urgent topics right now. They are so out of touch with the population.

I think we should opt out like Denmark.

Galwayguy35

Rose Conway Walsh said it should be rejected because of human rights issues, whatever that means.

I posted a comment asking her why she isn't highlighting the fact that we will probably end up having to take in even more migrants by accepting it.

She deleted my comment.

The shinners are as bad as the Government when it comes to immigration.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284297#Comment_122284297

Should we run a referendum on everything you don't like?

uptherebels

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uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284478#Comment_122284478

Can you detail your understanding of work visas in this country.?

Which parts of the pact do you have an issue with?

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284291#Comment_122284291

I agree let the people decide

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284785#Comment_122284785

The Government got their arse kicked in the last referendum, no way will they risk it happening again.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356678/why-are-the-government-intent-on-forcing-through-the-eu-migration-pact

and our government is going against our wishes by not using our opt out. Why are they going against the Irish citizens and doing something that the majority in Ireland don't agree with?

How do you 'know' the highlighted?

Scar001

Based on the government's record on housing, health, crime, immigration, we can be guaranteed that when it is passed, they will make a tits of it.

JP Liz V1

Is there a more recent updated poll?

https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284854#Comment_122284854

Yes, the European and local elections.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284854#Comment_122284854

Opinion polls have no official standing in our democratic system. Different ones say different things depending on how questions are worded, methodology used etc.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284875#Comment_122284875

In what way does the local and European elections indicate we want less control over migration into the country and thus more immigration. Did they not just indicate that the following of the far right is pretty much non existent.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284875#Comment_122284875

Yes the Independents did good in those

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284800#Comment_122284800

We must just hope the majority in The Dail object which is probably unlikely, as all EU ar$e lickers

Can we not just do as Denmark

Hungry Burger

It takes any responsibility for the problem away from them. When asked about the migrant issue they can now easily say “We have European obligations” or “Refer to the terms of the Migrant Pact”

Spineless apparatchiks the lot of them.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284922#Comment_122284922

The European elections gave us an opportunity to elect people who were against the pact or against immigration.

Francie Barrett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enLcOgmNY4

Michael McDowell seems to be one of the few adults left in government. It's frightening just how ignorant most of the rest of them are.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284297#Comment_122284297

Ain’t that the purpose of this pact ultimately?

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284136#Comment_122284136

The default policy is to listen to all the unelected forums, policy makers and advisors that are funded by and represent the major global corporate and industrial conglomerates.

Scar001

So am I correct in saying we have to take our share of IPAs in Europe based on our population and GDP AND 80% of IPAs coming across the border with the North. I suspect we are being screwed and no other country will have such arrangements.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058356678/why-are-the-government-intent-on-forcing-through-the-eu-migration-pact

There have just been elections in uthe country which suggests that at best you speak for fia small number of people while the two main parties continue to enjoy broad support and have a mandate to do so. That is the essence of democracy and you will have to accept that.

Jim2007

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Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284299#Comment_122284299

You will never get that because there is no constitutional basis for it. Making up the rules and then getting up when reality does not oblige is a silly game.

On top of which the recent local elections strongly suggest the government parties continue to enjoy the broad support of the people.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285731#Comment_122285731

They only hold a mandate because there is no credible alternative.

Backstreet Moyes

The elections will be a big difference, I know several people who voted for people in established parties because they know them.

They are all going to be voting for independents.

I think as skimpydo said at this point their is no credible opposition.

I mean only for Sinn Fein are determined seemingly not to get into goverment they would have got in.

Looking at them now, jesus they would have done so much more damage than the current ones.

It will be very hard for people to trust any new party because we don't know a lot about them.

I mean one of the independents in the locals I know from school and he never worked a day in his life, I know that but others probably don't.

We are a decade or two behind countries in Europe who have far right governents now.

We have polls showing the vast majority of the country is against whats going on.

Trying to use the local elections to pretend everyone is happy is childish.

We are not some unique country and we will go right unless things change.

We are a country with a population less than cities in other countries.

We are full currently, we are signing up to take them in and also burdened with scammers from the UK, making it worse for us.

I don't expect to see a change in government, I do in a few years but at that point the country is going to be ruined.

These people are coming over here illegally and getting housed, while I work to pay for it.

We are putting off having another child because the spare bedroom is fine for a kid but not for an adult and emigration or living at home will be the option.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285095#Comment_122285095

They don't want to know, most are so woke and concerned with virtue signalling they are totally incapable of balanced thought.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285030#Comment_122285030

Yeap and when everything goes pear shaped in a few years (it's already begun) they will have their excuse to blame someone but themselves.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285752#Comment_122285752

The government parties got a combined share of the vote of 49.5% in the local elections, not even a majority of the population.

The same government were also defeated in both the family and care referendums that they heavily promoted a few months previously.

To suggest that they have "broad support" to enact this piece of legislation that will have important and long-term implications for the future of this country is fanciful to say the least.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285041#Comment_122285041

I oppose the pact but theres no way I'd vote for the likes of Daly, Wallace and Ming just because they oppose it too.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284136#Comment_122284136

So what should their position be instead I wonder? What is so bad about being "good Europeans" (minus the little) anyway?

Sarky comments like this sound good and fire off the right jingoistic brain cells in some people, but it is pretty hollow, esp. on this issue.

The EU/other member states were not stopping the govt. from dealing with migration differently + letting fewer people in. Esp. the non EU/non Ukrainian "asylum seekers" who are basically economic migrants trying to get a way into a rich country with high living standard via a back door. That has been going on for decades here, long before invasion of Ukraine and I think the pressure only eased off (oddly enough) when we in an IMF programme and our economy went down the toilet.

Why do people think opting out will somehow mean Irish govt. will start tightening up? IMO, it is more likely a more restrictive attitude which is developing now across the EU could feed in here via EU level policy which will be a good thing e.g. if it forces Irish govt to deal with the applications promptly, and deport.

There must be some reason why migrant "rights" lobby groups and parties on left have been squealing loudly about this pact, criticising the EU and politicians that supported it, implying it is inhumane and cruel + unworkable etc.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287300#Comment_122287300

Which bit of the pact will force this government to deal with cases promptly and deport?

All the pact does is create a legal obligation that sets a floor on the minimum number of asylum cases that Ireland has to take in. How those cases are dealt with is entirely at our discretion.

We deported less than 1,000 people in 2023. Which politician do you think is going to do a complete 180 on their current asylum stance and go hawkish on deportations? Who's going to defy the NGO's and their well funded legal campaigns that block and obstruct deportations at every step of the way? Who's going to run the gauntlet of the media and the inevitable accusations of being "far-right"?

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287479#Comment_122287479

Haven't read details of it (bar few news articles). I thought it was setting out unified processess and procedures for dealing with migrants and asylum seekers, the blurb off the Europa website calls it a "common asylum system").

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/pact-migration-and-asylum_en

As said, the policy era of "refugees are welcome" + "we can do it" etc. is finished for the political centre right and left in the rest of the Western EU countries, even if Irish politicians, esp. on the centre left, have not woken up from their dream yet.

As with all things EU the govt. can to an extent ignore these parts of it and continue as they have been doing + keep the lobby groups happy. I mean, if we don't opt in, they could (and probably would) just do that anyway, so what is the difference?

No other EU country will be taking them off us, and if system remains completely lax and feckless here we will eventually suffer action for (edit: flouting) the new regulations.

I expect pressure on the govt. to act in line with others might rise quicker if we opt in, vs if we don't.

creeper1

They can bat off any journalist's question with the reply that they have no control over it anymore.

They can't wait to be fully justified in uttering their favourite line.

That line being

"We have a legal and moral obligations to help desperately vulnerable people"

creeper1

The right to opt out needs to be exercised imho.

We need to emulate Denmark.

End of.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284291#Comment_122284291

You don't understand the purpose of a referendum.

mulbot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288426#Comment_122288426

Oh explain it to me, Pleeaaassseeeeeee

dublin49

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287300#Comment_122287300

Each person can decide if our eager adherence to every EU directive is a good thing ,I would prefer a more nuanced approach,especially when we demure from opt outs available to us.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288843#Comment_122288843

If we opt in, this will be regulation(s) rather than a directive I think.

Politicians here that will oppose this (likes of SF, PBP/far left independents, and now these new right wing independents /microparties) have always opposed everything and anything done at European level.

It is all been terrible acc. to them, the Irish membership of the EEC/EC/EU, and probably very existence of the EU itself.

When something at EU level gets agreed and is going to be implemented here in Ireland and then actually works/is successful they just memory hole all of that (fact they opposed it, were wrong, and that it would have been bad for Ireland if they'd been in power to veto it for everyone, or opt out). Then they move on from it to bitterly oppose the next EU thing.

Try and name something done at European level over last 30 years that they have supported. It is hard. I can't think of anything. Maybe they will get it right by opposing something on a rare occasion like a stopped clock, but mostly they have been wrong.

silverharp

its a joke how bad the centre of Dublin looks now, railings, tents, hobos. Its Dublin not Paris , its nearly funny how people just go for their early morning jogs. Its only going to get worse?

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293858#Comment_122293858

I can't understand how there isn't more protests in Dublin, you guys are getting hammered more than anywhere else in the country and this won't change because these economic migrants all want to live in Dublin.

Its a ridiculous situation handing them tents on arrival and having the council dump the same tents a few days later.

Assuming this migration pact is passed it will be another 2 years before it become live so who knows what the situation will be like by then.

Oxo Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285731#Comment_122285731

The recently elected representatives didn't have a say, even though it was enacted after the elections.

It's all about impressing Brussels for jobs after Irish politics. Also they get to point to Europe if anyone hassles them about immigrants going forward.