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Why are the government intent on forcing through the EU Migration Pact?

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  • #62
    crusd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭crusd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284291#Comment_122284291

    Do we need a referendum to decide on how much money to allocate to potholes? Not sure people understand representative democracy



  • #63
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I don't know if it necessarily needs a referendum, but it should have been given far more debating time and consideration at both committee and Dail stages.

    Also, its far more serious issue than potholes, so no need for flippant and disingenuous comparisons.



  • #64
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298145#Comment_122298145

    Respective benefits are irrelevant when someone can exhaust their chances in one place and then hop across to the other to begin again. Without deals and pacts there will be no centralisation, or sharing of information, and no agreements to take people back.



  • #65
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298455#Comment_122298455

    Potholes can be fixed unlike what we are going to allow this government to do which will be irreversibly bad for our nation but of course you know that already.



  • #66
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,321 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We are giving away yet more autonomy to the EU. The Irish people should have the final say on transfer of sovereignty like this. What could be more fundamental than control of your own borders?

    We won't even be able to decide what a "safe" country is anymore for ouselves if we do this.

    We will never get back the sovereignty we give away. Others will decide for us.

    So those who support this can never complain again when the Commission speaks on behalf of this country in supporting Israel or whatever topic of the day is.



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  • #67
    creeper1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭creeper1


    It's undoubtedly something designed to take pressure off the Mediterranean countries.

    It's difficult to see Ireland getting a benefit from it.



  • #68
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298668#Comment_122298668

    The Irish people have some of the strongest protections globally for having a say in the transfer of sovereignty.



  • #69
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 295 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298738#Comment_122298738

    How can you say that?...nobody wants this pact yet our overlords are intent on pushing it through. If we can't stop this, we can't stop anything. You can keep telling yourself whatever you like but Ireland's sane need to get the finger out.



  • #70
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298763#Comment_122298763

    The recent elections and the support for those implementing the pact rather disagree with you.

    Regardless there is a reason we have far more referendums then other European countries in relation to European treaties. About the only exception is switzerland with its occasionally difficult direct democracy. The courts so far merely don't agree about this transferring sovereignty and thus requiring a referendum. It is just a procedural pact.



  • #71
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,687 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    When is The Dail vote?

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • #72
    crusd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭crusd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298610#Comment_122298610

    Do the naysayers not realise if we opt out we have no legal mechanism to return people to other member states? If you do, fair enough, debate the provisions of the pact. But if you are out, you are out.

    The pact also introduces harmonisation of previsions across states reducing incentives to move form one state to another. I thought this would be something that would please some given the insistence it is conditions granted to asylum seekers relative to other countries is what attracts them here.

    Also Amnesty and other organisations that support migrants are against this pact, so really, ask yourself are you against this because you understand it or because "EU Bad, goberment bad"



  • #73
    ToweringPerformance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122300748#Comment_122300748

    What is a goberment?

    If Amnesty are supporting it it reinforces my anti migration pact stance tbh.



  • #74
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301105#Comment_122301105

    They're not supporting it, his point was that they are against it.



  • #75
    Angeleena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Angeleena


    According to Kevin Sharkey Ireland is a sinking ship if we sign the EU Migration Pact

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsIODO5AdQ

    Me - I think that we are already sinking.



  • #76
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298529#Comment_122298529

    Since when has being member of European Parliament been about the potholes? Amazing that you are happy to ignore the results of the Irish European election as being a barometer for attitudes towards European legilsation.



  • #77
    crusd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭crusd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122301105#Comment_122301105

    Amnesty are against it if you actually read the post.



  • #78
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,687 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The Dáil has voted to opt in to the pact by a margin of 79 votes to 72

    DAMN

    Post edited by JP Liz V1 on

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #79
    Hungry Burger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Very sad times ahead. I feel bad for our children who will have to deal with the full consequences of this absolute catastrophe.



  • #80
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,654 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308072#Comment_122308072

    Can you explain why? What parts of the pact do you disagree with?

    Another Facebook type comment on a discussion forum.



  • #81
    Hungry Burger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308091#Comment_122308091

    It’s been explained eloquently ad nauseum by other posters above, which you refuse to respond to.

    I know what you’re trying to do with your “Facebook comment” statement. Nobody is falling for it.



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  • #82
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,687 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Those 79, S.O.Bs, destroyed Ireland, spineless spiteful traitors, not even asking the people, done slyly

    I wanna know the 79, hope they are named, likely all FFG but who else

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #83
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308191#Comment_122308191

    How would you suggest dealing with these people, without an EU wide agreement?



  • #84
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308191#Comment_122308191

    not even asking the people, done slyly

    done slyly in a public vote in the Dáil ffs 🙄 You are railing against completely normal parliament business.

    hope they are named

    It's a publicly recorded vote for god's sake. It is the easiest thing in the world to find out how people voted.



  • #85
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298455#Comment_122298455

    This is a bit more important than fixing potholes.

    So if we change the people who represent us at the next election (which is only a few months away) and say of the 79 who voted in favour maybe 25 are not in the next dail can we reverse this decision?

    If it was proper representative democracy that is what should happen as a long term decision would have been reached by a group of people who are no longer representing us so really that decision should be null and void.



  • #86
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308216#Comment_122308216

    If it was proper representative democracy that is what should happen as a long term decision would have been reached by a group of people who are no longer representing us so really that decision should be null and void.

    You have a bizarre view of a "proper democracy". Every new government doesn't start with a blank slate where they remove every single law passed by previous governments for plainly obvious reasons. We don't also annul every international treaty every time we have an election.



  • #87
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,654 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308191#Comment_122308191

    Can you explain why? What parts of the pact do you disagree with?

    The rest of your post is just brainwashed nonsense to be honest regarding it being sly.



  • #88
    lizzyjane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    The final nail in the coffin of Irelands membership in the E.U.

    It may be too late but by 2035 we wont be in the E.U any longer.

    If it was put to the electorate now there is zero chance this migration pact would of passed.



  • #89
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,654 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122308238#Comment_122308238

    Can you explain your though process to why that might be?



  • #90
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,687 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    If not "sly" why not ask the people, let them vote, give them a say, now we could be made pay high fines if not taking in unlimited numbers and providing adequate accommodations and entitlements, sorry but we are f#cked

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • #91
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,321 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Wars have literally been fought down the centuries between countries to prevent the handover of less autonomy and sovereignty than this country is surrendering with that vote by our representatives tonight.

    This is not an independent country anymore. Don't get me wrong, it hasn't been for quite a few years but to see it play out now in this way is sad.



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