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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look, the news paper articles quoting what everyone heard on election night, including on here are on google. He opened the door to SF when he thought he was gonna have a clear seat marjority. He also said he’d never coalesce with FG. He did because it was his only chance to be Taoiseach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭pureza


    Correction he did so because he changed his mind (like he did on abortion) and got his party to agree

    In your dystopia,noone is allowed to change their mind

    In which case this thread may close as an SFF coalition will be impossible or an SFG

    As your party friends advised earlier,you need to get over yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Has a habit of ‘changing his mind’ when it’s something he wants.
    He has no interest in making FF a distinct party, that is also for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Of all the things said at the last election he was as clear as day….if you want to make out black is now white…I get it you’re following Mary Lou with the flip flop which people see right through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭pureza


    Oh like most in both parties,he very much does believe in the distinction

    You need to avoid mixing up the coincidence of the centre ground with mergers

    Great result in Dublin there btw,4 very good mep's elected including Lyn Boylan

    I'd feel a bit sorry for Ciarán Cuffe

    Now lets hope Funchion or Grace can knock out theother Moscow waster in South



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Like ‘I will never coalesce with FG’, that clarity? Did someone mention flip flops?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Amazing coincidence that Boylan in her interview repeated verbatim 'the fact is SF increased their number of seats in the LEs' exactly as posted by a couple of posters here today.

    The wagons have been well and truly circled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What? 😁

    They did. Stating the truth is a conspiracy are you serious? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    🤣 SF is who he said he would never go into power with not anyone else and I think he was brave enough to say exactly why and put his cards on the table at least people knew where they stood with him even if they didn’t agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,623 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Isn't that the point? It's run by no one, it's coronated in a back room somewhere.

    It's why they're stuck in headlights after MLMD's continued f*ck ups, no one viable to take over and no up and comers making a (good) name for themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Maybe this election could be a huge eye opener for SF.

    What ever you think of SF, they are the most viable opposition party. The likes of FF/FG are now wed together and I don't know why they just don't become one party at this point.

    Having such a weak opposition is terrible for our county.

    I hope SF go back to the table and rethink what kind of party do they want to be? They have to pick a lane at this point even though it may upset part of their base



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well if you believe the absurdity that they are run by now elderly men and they are controlling everything they say, you are able to convince yourself of anything. Work away, nothing I can say can compete.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You know very little about party politics and even less about FF internal politics then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,307 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If FFG merge they would loose a lot of supporters who still believe the parties have different policies. Whether that support would transfer to SF or right leaning parties I can't say but I don't think anybody wants to find out either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The PIRA/PSF was just a criminal gang, are you trying to say criminal gangs just finish up because people retire?
    The links between PSF and organised crime are well known


    The desperation to deny those links tells it own story

    By the way who said it was elderly men? Bit sexist



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ##Mod Note##

    No , no you can't.

    Nicknames etc. are not allowed in the politics forum.

    Use proper names for people please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I never denied any links to the IRA Clo.
    Not once.

    I was laughing at the absurdity of the concept, a disparate bunch of very opinionated people 'controlled' in everything they say and do from back rooms in Belfast.
    I sometimes think the purveyors of this theory have never met a Shinner. I know plenty where I live and not one of them strike me as a person who could be 'controlled' unless they wanted to be.

    It's a handy 'scare' accusation for the other parties and we see it whenever SF rise in the polls but then so are fairy tales, they too were designed to keep children in line.

    Are you sure it is not you whose thinking is being 'controlled'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Snide personal remark as usual

    SF and the links with organised crime is well reported .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Some accusation about the Gardai there.

    If a political party has 'links' to organised crime and you or a journalist have evidence of this how come they are allowed to continue to operate as politicians and as a political party?
    How come an International Agreement still stands if one of those signed up to it is 'linked to organised' crime?

    I know you will run off here shouting about 100 posts or 'snide remarks' when that is not happening but those questions remain for you. You are using insinuation like a parent uses a fairy tale. Nothing snide about saying that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I think you put your foot in it yet again FrancieBrady. I think over the decades plenty of Shinners (and other unfortunates) have found out to their cost what control by those in the back rooms in west Belfast is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    30 years ago you could be shot dead by the 'lawful' forces just for being in SF.

    That doesn't happen anymore because the war/conflict is thankfully over.

    You want to continue to live back in those days when it suits you.

    The idea that everything many diiferent party members are saying or doing is 'controlled' from a central point is absurd and doesn't even make logistical or practical sense.
    Do ex IRA members have input into SF, certainly they do because that is what we as a people asked them to do in the GFA.
    The GFA was not an á la carte menu. You cannot install glass ceilings and pretend to be a democrat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,623 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Any normal party would have heaved MLMD by now, radio silence in SF, no other member willing to stick their head above the parapet.

    Good to see MacManus kicked to the kerb, the voters having to what SF are chicken to do, as usual.

    Again, where is the bench? What is the SF long term plan if they have no one coming through?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Absolute bull unless other party’s are also not normal.
    How many failed elections did Leo Varadkar have? Didn’t he take them from 35% in the polls to hovering around 20%?

    Despite the friskiness of FG FF supporters here both of their leaders have presided over LE’s that saw the coalition party’s vote decline with the junior partner’s vote decimated and they also lost both their MEPs

    SF’s long term plan will not be seeking your approval not sure why you are bothered about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    if SF isn’t looking for approval from the electorate for a long term plan then that says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They are not looking approval from inveterate critics with track records like some on here have. They will like other democrats put their plans in front of the electorate and seek to persuade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,623 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Varadkar was in government throughout his tenure as party leader and was able to negotiate a programme for government with rival parties.

    Gilmore led the greens to government.

    Martin managed to rehabilitate FF into government (again, not a fan of FF, but this was a political miracle after Cowen).

    MLMD's history is a catalog of a failure to govern and it's looking further away by the day, even if they are the biggest party after a GE, they won't have the council support to get anything done and they are facing the prospect of being a junior party in a coalition if their slide continues, which SF have shown un-willingness to do (meaning a vote for SF could be a completely wasted vote). They are not meeting your desire for a change to occur in politics in Ireland leaving your support for them as a cult member rather than out of any political philosophy.

    If MLMD wasn't there, who would be your next choice for SF leader?

    SF’s long term plan will not be seeking your approval not sure why you are bothered about it.

    This is you admitting they have no long-term plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How do you negotiate a programme for government when so called democrats close ranks and refuse to talk or negotiate?

    Utter ‘suit yourself’ definitions of ‘failure’ employed too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭acceletor


    You're someone to be talking about track records F……..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,689 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A voter for SF? Never hid the fact.

    Dislike for the continual swapping of power between FG and FF - never hid the fact.
    Astroturfs demands would be akin to me making the same of FG or FF.

    If a FG or FF leader is making a mess and failing the party in garnering support, let them at it IMO



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭pureza


    It was never a swap

    My prediction that you'd start that crack again,a few weeks after the last time you were told here how untrue it is to say that was right

    FF and FG for over 80 years were bitter rivals,swapping nothing

    Furthermore your party was busy during the 70s and 80's cosying up to the Soviets making yourselves as much of an anti alternative as possible in what was still a deeply catholic country abhorred by the atheist prison state the USSR,would you still like to talk history of parties or rather deal with the reality of the here and now?



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