Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122246874#Comment_122246874

'I think we need to make clear to some people that we're not actually in Government, you know '.

The absolute sneeriness held within that statement, especially the 'you know'. Ivan Yates referenced it during Primetime afterwards, stating he didn't know anyone who thought SF were in Government, do you?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122246711#Comment_122246711

More importantly it's miles off a quota - 75k total 1st Preferences against a 113k quota..

That's very poor.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247016#Comment_122247016

Well I have said the same thing here to 'some people'. Blaming SF for the hames the government made of housing and health and immigration needs calling out.

There is a reason nobody but WWN has followed up on this fairly innocuous comment.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122246921#Comment_122246921

Lol, so it's not an interview now.

That's up there with proclaiming that the LEs don't matter and in the next breath saying they do cos SF increased their share of the vote while the Government parties are in freefall.

A 5 to 1 preference being declared as a victory is some spin, and people thought comical Ali was funny?

Working class heroes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122246874#Comment_122246874

Stop stating your opinion as fact.

You seem to be getting rather hot under the collar

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247050#Comment_122247050

And impossible for anyone to go into coalition with. Sinn Fein have yet to produce a leader that any other party is bothered having a conversation with. Nobody wants to be in a room being heckled and lectured to by MLMD.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247107#Comment_122247107

I had to laugh at the "some people" not being the "electorate". Does Francie think that "some people" refers to children or recent immigrants? A condescending interpretation of her words at best.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247131#Comment_122247131

It refers to 'some people'. Some people who hold SF responsible for the sins of government.

Try as you guys might there is no traction on this outside of here.

blanch152

The title of RTE's latest politics podcast is "Why has Sinn Fein tanked?", yet we are told by the "experts" that nobody outside of here is talking about it.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247177#Comment_122247177

It will be held in reserve for the GE no doubt.

She clearly sneered at the electorate that they are in fact morons who don't know who they are voting for.

I received an election leaflet from SF consisting of a 'sample' ballot paper explaining where I needed to put my 1 and 2 and I should bring this with me in case I forget. That is their target electorate, so it's no surprise that ML feels the need to remind them who's in Government.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247107#Comment_122247107

eh…your opinion or the opinion of few here isn't 'fact' either. Bit arrogant there.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247270#Comment_122247270

It will be held in reserve for the GE no doubt.

Oh right, that's why nobody in the media or the public is talking about it as an insult. They have all decided to hold it in reserve for an election they are sure SF are going to lose. Gothcha.

Itssoeasy

I’m sure this has been mentioned during the near 186 pages, buy let’s say that Sinn Fein repeat what they got in 2020 which was high thirties, the new majority needed in the Dail will be 88 seats. So let’s say that Sinn Fein do a bit better and get mid 40’s in seats, that’s still 40 odd seats short.

And SF have said their preferred option(both Mary Lou McDonald and Pearse Doherty on the record) is a SF led government without FF or FG part of it. How exactly do SF believe they can square that circle ? The alphabet soup of other left wing parties tried the last time and it didn’t amount to much.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247289#Comment_122247289

As I've already said Yates has referred to it already in the media.

Gotcha? You're definitely under pressure.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247304#Comment_122247304

Their 'preferred' option, kinda explains it I would have thought, especially if you couple it with MLMD saying they will talk to anyone about government formation.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247317#Comment_122247317

so not change then. MLMD called FF and FG the establishment at the weekend, and seeing as how SF claim they are the change people want, they how would keeping most likely FF in power actual change ?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247332#Comment_122247332

Incremental change.
They have already forced change - the tacit merger of FF and FG or a coalition, however you want to look at the situation.

I still don't think SF would enter government as a minor party to either FF or FG, they will though go in if they are the lead party.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247316#Comment_122247316

So an ex FGer is the only media person to mention it? Hardly a controversy.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247304#Comment_122247304

They all do it in fairness, every party proclaims an aim for a singular majority knowing full well they won't reach it. And none of them will rule out a coalition with anyone to achieve power except FG with SF, which would destroy FG.

This is why Francie, who is basically SF, has been continuously bating FF that they are finished as a party unless they go into coalition with SF, considering they were languishing at around 15% in the polls. Polls that couldn't be believed in relation to SF but were perfectly acceptable for FF.

Of course the problem now that Francie has conveniently ignored is that now in an actual election FFs demise has been revealed to be premature. I guarantee that this is more at the heart of SFs disappointment than anything else, because they know their only way to government is with FF.

Look back on Francie's posts prior to this election in relation to their goading of FF to join the SF collective or be destroyed. The Borg would be proud.

What has pissed off SF most is that FF have thrived in coalition.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247447#Comment_122247447

Sorry, this is an erroneous take on my point of view.

This is why Francie, who is basically SF, has been continuously bating FF that they are finished as a party unless they go into coalition with SF, considering they were languishing at around 15% in the polls. Polls that couldn't be believed in relation to SF but were perfectly acceptable for FF.

I'm long enough watching politics to know there is the politics they want you to believe is going on and the real politic. My view is that there are those in FF who are of the view that their demise will continue and that will at some point blow into instability within FF. Which is different from the 'bating''baiting' them accusation you have made. I have linked to actual FF TDs going against the opinion that Micheal has expressed. There is also reports that FFers were unhappy and are unhappy with the continued coalition with FG. So there is clearly divided thinking within FF.

And I don't know where you got the 'polls that couldn't be believed' bit.

You seem a bit desperate here.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247097#Comment_122247097

So a political interview is usually when questions are asked by one person and the politician answers them, I use the term "answer" very loosely. The portion of that video mentioned above was a reporter looking for a 5 second comment

Of course the LEs matter, whoever says they don't is fooling themselves, case in point is the local authorities vote for the senate. Meaning that should SF be in power after the next GE they are unlikely to also have power in the senate. Could be a bit of a disaster but that's what the people voted for in fairness

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247823#Comment_122247823

That depends on who is leader. The party is clearly not all convinced despite the spinning here.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247546#Comment_122247546

I'd argue that it's more likely for SF to split (further depending on how you count Aontu) than FF.

FF (I would not be a supporter of FF) seem to be building themselves back again with a raft of new heads coming through. Martin might go to the next term and then handover mid-way through, the other members will be wary of taking that chance.

Funnily enough, this also plays into the retirements that will happen at the next election, FG and FF will have a bench to call upon for selection, SF won't.

I also think if SF had anyone viable as new leader, MLMD would be toasted carbon by now.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247853#Comment_122247853

says the person who has no idea about anything in FF or FG 😂

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247871#Comment_122247871

I suppose those links to Jim O’Callaghan an 20 other TDs is a Shinner forgery? Not to mention the backbenchers and members. If you told any FFers down here they were gene pool FGers you’d start the civil war again.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247865#Comment_122247865

A potential new leader for SF doesn’t have to be run by you guys to be viable.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122247919#Comment_122247919

You have no idea what is going on in FF, sharing random articles and trying to claim you do is hilarious

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122248014#Comment_122248014

i do, I can listen to what senior members say and I also know their history. There are many livid having to coalesce with FG, others unhappy and then there is the current leading wing who care little for distinct policy and more about power. Micheal didn’t care who he coalesced with as long as he was Taoiseach first.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122248051#Comment_122248051

"livid having to coalesce with FG" says you. lol. Not really. Ask some of the old timers, the really old timers who remember the 40s. There are extremely few of them left, but they will tell you there was no love lost between FF and SF. After all, DeValera shot some IRA in prison back in the forties. There is arguably more reason for lividness between SF and everyone else than between FF and FG, because it is more recent memory. Also during the troubles it was SF/IRA who ….well, lets just say some Gardai and Irish army were killed.

Timing belt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122248051#Comment_122248051

don’t think that’s true he was very clear on going into power with SF…. Could not have been clearer to be honest.