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Galway GAA Discussion Thread #2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    I was told that from a couple of fairly reliable source that have both come good on a few things already this championship. Part of being a supporter is hearing talk from somebody who knows a man about a dog. If Finnerty starts in 2 weeks I'll happily hold my hands up and take my lickings.

    For the record I'd be delighted to see Finnerty play against Armagh. He's having a standout season and we need firepower like him. Hopefully Comer and Kelly are fit too. Having those three even on the matchday panel would be a massive boost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    that's fair enough in reality its the reason the likes of myself use this because of people being knowledgeable and knowing whats going on behind the scenes

    a really good win for galway today last year was a battle as well but impressive to do it without kelly and comer that cant be understated , molloy chipping in with a late super score is some answer to his substation in the connacht final and a measure of the galway squad at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭mjp


    Looks like Armagh game will be in Markevicz park which not too bad a venue for us. No confirmation on times yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭vid36


    I agree, much handier than Navan.Bring it on..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭MattressRick




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Happy that it isn't in Navan as rumoured. Markevicz is a nice venue and fair as a neutral venue for both travelling supporters. It's nice to see more regional grounds getting a look in for the Round 3 group games. I think it will be slightly under a sellout but I'd sooner see a nearly full smaller venue than a half empty Croker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Should be a good atmosphere. Not sure what will attend but felt like a sizable increase at the Galway vs Westmeath game (around 8k maybe) that felt a big jump on last year. I've a feeling this Armagh game will be the same.

    Be interesting to see what they do with the team. I personally at this stage would change 4-5 and see. Our balance is wrong. Daniel O Flaherty, Molloy (in his natural half back position) Sweeney, Culhane (in the absence of Comer/Finnerty) could all be worth a start and a change of set up.

    Maybe with it being Armagh we'll see an improvement in mentality. Will be needed to stay in this game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    For whatever reason I think Joyce is holding back Cillian O'Curraoin this championship. I think he'd be ideal to start in the full-forward line if there's no Comer or Finnerty. McDaid is wasted up there as a stop-gap and he'd be a huge addition to midfield or with Daly and McHugh in the half-backs.

    I know we're potentially missing 3 big names but I'm very happy to see Tierney going well after limited football in 2024 so far. You'd imagine any goal threat will need to involve himself, Heaney, Walsh or D'Arcy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭mjp


    Have to agree re O Curraoin. Stepped up to the mark hugely to keep us in div 1 when he had very little experience with him and thought he would get a chance with likes of comer and finnerty beside him see what he can do. Heaney has been a bit below his high standards in championship this year but should come good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    I think there's huge potential in Galway to score about 5 or 6 points more per game if the players were shooting from 40 yards out. Some do and some don't, so I don't know is it an instruction or their own instinct that's stopping them.

    Tierney, Conroy, McDaid, Heaney, Walsh, Comer, OCurraoin, even maybe Finnerty, have all kicked 40 yarders now and again in the last 2 years. I think Armagh will score them against us and our slow build up play just keeps the opposition, no matter what level they're at, in the game for much longer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Butson


    Henry still Galway manager…..

    Must want to stay on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭threeball


    Was that confirmed. Bad news for us if that's the case. Henrys philosophy on hurling is for a game that's not successful anymore. Hurling has moved on and its not going back any time soon. Add to that the fact that we don't have the players to play that way even if it had potential to work and we're losing on two fronts. Its a rebuild job and you need to appoint someone with a 3-5yr vision, not someone who doesn't want to go out on a bad note.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭Robert2014


    Agreed, we should have decided to start this after the second half against Limerick last year. A wasted year and if Henry stays on, the future will be delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    A new manager won't solve Galway's problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Darren Morrissey, Daithí Burke, Fintan Burke

    Kevin Cooney, Conor Whelan, Cathal Mannion

    Full back line. Full forward line. Fill in the middle. Easier said that done maybe but not many teams start off with a template like that to work off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Shefflin seemed too reluctant to bed in new faces like Killeen and Lawless, who were better options even if they don't work out long-term than moving Linnane to wing-back or keeping Grealish at corner back. I'd have zero confidence that he'd bed in new blood unless his hand got forced by retirements, which I think is a certainty over the winter.

    Sometimes you just need to admit a job is too big for you and Shefflin, who I've no doubt tried his best, needs to realise that this rebuild is way above his skillset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    Fintan Burke can't be corner back. When he's pulled around following a pacy corner forward he gets very exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Tbf the day of traditional "Corner backs" are gone. Nearly every team plays with two up top and then it's up to management to get match ups right. I agree a hugely pacy player wouldn't suit him.

    For me Fintan Burke was the biggest positive in 2024. Went toe to toe with Gillane (subbed off league) TJ Reid and Chin and held his own in all. Thought he was man of the man from a Galway point of view against Dublin. When Daithí returned to the full back line against Antrim very little damage was caused in that line for the last two games.

    Darach Fahy had a good year. Caimin Fahy impressed as an individual in the half back line and Gavin Lee got plenty of scores over the round Robin.

    But the middle eight as a unit was close to Joe McDonagh hurling than All Ireland winners. No pressure at all defensively. Amount of times against Wexford and Dublin they had a free man in the middle of the pitch with no Galway player within 20 yards was criminal. Modern day hurling a free shot from half way is almost a gimme. Individually they are decent players (mostly) but collectively it was a disaster that management never looked like rectifying. Started against Carlow and got no better.

    That balance isn't fixed it's a waste of some good hurlers.

    Think it's fair to say a few of our better performers didn't turn up this year. If management are staying let's hope it was just a bad year rather than disillusionment with those at the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭threeball


    Well Shefflin staying will only exacerbate the problems. Theres 24 senior clubs in Galway with a further 6 or 7 intermediate clubs where that's their first team. If you only looked at the top 3 or 4 players from each club you'd have over 100 players with potential to add something.

    There needs to be a better structure in place than bringing in a handful in the muck and shìt of the walsh cup and early league only to discard them. The net has to be cast wider and the opportunity to impress must be longer and in better circumstances.

    Limerick can bring in lads off bad u20 teams who make an impression immediately and we can't add a single player of note from any age group. Even the best players will look average to poor in a badly set up team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 laymansterms


    There may be 24 senior clubs in Galway but there are not 24 clubs playing senior standard Hurling. I'd include my own club in that. The structure of that championship needs to be looked at - 24 is just too many and I can think of at least 6 clubs off the top of my head that would be better off playing (and competing and possibly winning) at Intermediate level. The same goes for some of the so called intermediate clubs at the moment, some of them should be playing Junior.

    I'm not saying that to disrespect any club but it's just he reality. It's very obvious when you attend games.

    Having said that, I do think that the Hurlers are there. There are easily 100 hurlers as you say. We have the foundations and there is proof that the foundations are good - Club AI, Minor AI etc. The fact that there is no news on Shefflin leads me to believe that it's his decision to make. IF he is to stay, I would like to see a statement that it is for 3 years and that he is rebuilding the team. Another 1 year serves nobody.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    It doesn't really matter what level a player's club is playing at, you could have a very good player playing at junior level, who'd be well fit for county standard. The net definitely has to be cast wider, can't keep going to the same faces or only selecting from players who played at under age level, some player's develop at a later age. It should be looked at as a long term rebuilding (probably 3 years), don't think Shefflin is the right man for the job, has tried his best, but it's clearly not working. Needs a new manager to bring fresh ideas.

    We also need to accept that we aren't going to be all Ireland contenders in the next couple of years-tbh we haven't been contenders in the last few years either, if we take off the rose tinted glasses that we ran Limerick close a couple of times, those were one off performances which papered over the cracks and they were games in which we never looked like winning anyway. We have been consistently poor for the last 3 or 4 years with the odd decent performance thrown in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭basillarkin


    16 senior clubs in Galway, B championship is really intermediate and senior in name only .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Donohue certainly isn't a candidate to replace Henry on that performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭threeball


    As was said previously, just because your club isn't in Senior A doesn't mean you're not good enough. There's plenty of players playing intermediate that would walk on to any Senior A team. That's the problem in Galway, we keep looking in the same well and come back saying it's dry. If Gearoid Hegarty lived in Galway he'd be sitting at home scratching his balls every Sunday.

    Theres a snobbery in traditional hurling areas towards clubs that aren't at the top grade or classed as dual clubs. It carries through to our IC team too when we play "lesser" counties we rarely put in a shift and put them away like KK do. Just look at our history v Dublin and you can see it in action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭threeball


    You can't put anything on a manager when the team doesn't show up for one game. If they don't show up for a season, then you can look at the manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 laymansterms


    I don't think it's snobbery, I just think that in general the best hurlers are playing senior hurling. Players reach their potential by playing with and against the best players and getting the best coaching. It's really important that the club championship gives players that.

    The exceptional Intermediate and Junior players will always shine exactly because they stand out from the rest of the average intermediate and junior players. I fully agree on casting the net wide. I'm just questioning if the current club championship is serving the IC team well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Totally agree, there's an arrogance in "traditional hurling clubs" towards clubs and players from clubs they deem not hurling clubs, this carries on at inter County level too, we seem to see ourselves up with the traditional big 3; Kilkenny, Cork and Tipp, yet we have a poor head to head record against most of the Liam Mccarthy tier counties, with only a winning record against the likes of Antrim and Offaly, so not sure where this arrogance comes from, possibly from our underage success where we do match up with the big 3 fairly well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭MfMan


    No such thing as snobbery. John Hanbury came from 'unfashionable' Rahoon / Newcastle. Niall Donohoe RIP came from Kilbeacanty. Donal O'Shea is still playing for a Junior club. If they're good enough and they push on, they won't lay undiscovered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Agreed with this. What people fail to understand is that there are a few seconds teams playing both senior, junior and intermediate. If the county board reduced down each championship to 16 teams, they would be a higher level of competition and increase opportunity for these players at lower grades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭cosatron


    The 2 stand out junior players the last couple of years are sean mcdonagh and donal o shea, o shea is on the panel and mcdonagh played on the development squad. The captain of the minor team is from ballygar, Greg Thomas and his brother moved to Castlegar from ballygar and Greg has being in and out of senior panel unfairly if you ask me. The 2 mannions, gmac and niall burke were brought in while hurling intermediate, kilcommins from annaghdown got a full league to make his case and then was dropped and went into the football panel. I don't see allot of snobbery there



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