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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Ok, we do not know if it was the biggest gathering of a crowd of people (reported as 1800 or thousands) during Covid, but as nobody can suggest a similar size or gathering otherwise we can only assume it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, if it was a competition, who would win the encouraging people to leave the country to attend concerts one? Or who would win the encouraging gofing society outings one?, or the civil service department parties when securing UN positions one?
    Governments, political parties and politicians as well as the ordinary people made mistakes or did the wrong thing. They deserve criticism and penalties if they broke the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I do not remember any concerts in April, May, June 2020 or indeed for a long time after that. In April / May / June 2020 I think 99% of people took the restrictions seriously. Good attempt at deflection though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's not deflection it's 'perspective', Which you don't seem to possess if there is a shinner about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    From your "perspective", what concerts were there in April, May, June 2020 or indeed for a long time after that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,973 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The notion that there'll be any appreciable impact on voters because of a politician attending the Bohs-Palestine game is pretty far fetched. For it to be true you'd need:

    1. A significant cohort of voters for whom Gaza is the defining factor in who they vote for.
    2. Despite this, that these voters somehow haven't made up their minds based on the vast amount of political talk and action (and inaction) relating to Gaza in near eight months since Hamas' offensive.
    3. That these same voters will however be convinced to vote one way or another based solely on seeing a photo of MLMcD at Dalymount the other night?

    It simply makes no sense.

    And I mean this to cover both pro and anti-Palestinian sentiment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Coming up to the election nobody wil care about Palestine, people will unfollow a few celebs online and think that is them done for a protest against what is going on

    Sinn Fein are banging the Palestine drum yet at the same time running over to the US to get huge donations from the same people they are complaining about. Another example of Sinn Fein and their incompetence. They can't even make a proper stand on any topic without flip flopping around.

    Of course the same people who already voted SF and think sticking a flag of Palestine on their online profile is helping, will think ti is great 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's a good job social media exists otherwise I'll never know about them running over to the US , from Canada or Mexico presumably, to get huge donations from the anti-Palestine crowd. Can't find any such details anywhere else mind so I hope this isn't a misinformation campaign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's down to the roots of the party, FF/FG were opposing sides of the bloodiest war ever fought on the island, a huge representation of separation. Sinn Fein, which translates roughly as "us" or "we ourselves" is a symbol of unity in many ways don't you think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,519 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What a load of rubbish and rewriting history. First off Sinn Fein stands for ''ourselves alone'' and was the named so to project a party that was set up to achieve Irish Freedom. Secondly FF and SF were on one side of the civil war as SF or the Irregulars. It split in 1927 when FF was formed as they decided to enter the Dail.

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    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Notmything


    The civil war was not the bloodiest war ever fought on this island ,that and your misunderstanding of what sinn Fein means suggests you need to brush up on your learning.

    You also misrepresent FF and FG as representing separation when they've been in power together in one form or other for the past number of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    It's very simple:

    Eddie Copeland

    Brian Gillen

    Gerry Kelly

    Ted Howell

    Martin Ferris

    Tom Murphy

    Gerry Adams

    Danny Morrison

    Thomas McMahon

    Martin Lynch

    If you want these old men running the country from 2025 onwards just vote for the local stooge in your area. That includes MLMD, the leader without a voice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    I have to take issue with you about MLMD.

    A “voice without a leader” would be more appropriate 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    A voice without a say would be a better drscription👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I think SF have successful scuttled their chances of being in government.

    They could never risk being in government. That would be the end of them as a party after a stint where they actually had to get off the fence and follow through on their many words. And people are sick already of Mary Lou. Imagine how they would feel about her if she were Taoiseach.

    But you have to give them credit. Its very hard to torpedo your own chances in an election on purpose without looking too much like you did it on purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭myfreespirit


    First off Sinn Fein stands for ''ourselves alone'' 

    Nitpick: Sinn Féin means "ourselves" in Gaelic/Irish.

    As in: mé féin = myself, tú féin = yourself and sinn féin = ourselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,714 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No. Neither Fianna Fáil nor Fine Gael existed at the time of the Civil War, which was fought between opposing factions of Sinn Féin — a pro-Treaty faction led by Michael Collins and an anti-Treaty faction led by Eamon de Valera. The war ended in March/April 1923; some months later the pro-Treaty SF faction founded Cumman na nGaedhal, which in 1933 merged with a couple of smaller groups to form Fine Gael. The anti-Treaty SF faction continued to use the name "Sinn Féin", but split in 1926 over the policy of abstention. Fianna Fáil, founded in 1927, emerged from that split. Over the next two decades the rump of Sinn Féin faded away to almost nothing, until the IRA (which at the time had no formal links with Sinn Féin) decided to take it over and try to revitalise it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes people are running mis-information campaigns on boards😂

    Not a person for checking history books I see



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, actually, you just proved my point.

    Sinn Fein at the Palestinian game = Sinn Fein falling in the polls.

    A vote-loser.

    RBB doesn't count, his vote is trivially insignificant no matter what he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Rosahane


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So SF doing what they have done for decades, doing what anyone with a smattering of political knowledge knows they will - i.e. supporting Palestinians, go to a fairly low profile event and suffer polling losses as a result??


    Tenuous analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    In these unprecented times, with illegial immigration / asylum seekers etc now in recent times at record levels, there are many reasons why SF is shedding votes and flip-flopping about at what must seem to you to be an alarming rate. SF old policy of "Brits out, Everyone else in" is not to everyone's liking. Unprecedented immigration is throwing fuel on the fire of the housing crises for one thing, and causing knock on effects with hotel accommodation in parts of the country for another thing.

    Do you think Mary Lou has taken her eye off the ball, only three weeks from elections here, by going yet again to America at the weekend ( at least third time in the space of a few months?). it seems to have been a good BBQ she was at anyway, burgers were 5 dollars and hot dogs only 2 dollars, according to the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF is shedding votes

    Has there been an election?

    SF have gone down in some polls, gone back up in others.

    That they went down in the polls because they went to a football match to support Palestinians, that they supported forever is just spurious nonsense TBH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,471 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A picture paints a thousand words.

    SF support is plummeting according to the trend in the polls.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They haven't 'shed a vote' yet Mark, because there hasn't been a vote.
    That was the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Little over 2 weeks to the 7th of June elections. Which should be the best indication of support yet

    I suspect SF will do well at a local and European level, maybe 30%-35% of the seats. Similar to GE20

    Limerick DEM is still up for grabs, my prediction for Limerick is SF to top the poll but it will be either the FF or FG candidate emerging victorious as they will be the most transfer friendly. If I had to call it I'd say narrowly FG

    Could all change if any party gets bad news mind…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ahh but when the polls say SF are going down we should ignore them, when the poll says they are going up then they are a good poll

    A certain poster here who has spent many many days telling us all how great polls are is now trying to say they are worthless, even when I pointed out multiple times polls are not votes.

    Hilarious



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Who is saying they are 'worthless' Clo?
    Are you having PM's with someone because I see nobody who says they are worthless.
    They are indicators of how people might vote, they are not 'votes' though.



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