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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2024 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    This may be handy for everyone to consult for next weekends Munster Championship games

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    Tipperary have won an all Ireland in every decade AFAIK. Hard to see it this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    Waterford dont show up for the round robin very often but when they do there's alot of chaos in the other counties the panic is something to see lol even the Limerick thread is active



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Bit of an overreaction there! Last all ireland 2019 and they qualified out of Munster last year and are in transition this year, what do you want, them to be qualifying every year? They're in the munster final in both u17 and u20, have won a minor all ireland lately and the club game is strong. They won't be down for long...realistically the sane thing will happen Limerick when their generational talents retire too...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    2016 last round of the qualifiers for a spot in all ireland qf, wexford, cork, limerick and clare double header in thurles. Less then 16k turned up from 4 counties. So lets be honest at least, all teams lose support when they aren't going well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Jesus you talk some amount of scutter in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 onliner


    I Tipperary win an Waterford beat Limerick by a point who will be in the Munster final against Waterford and who will not qualify out of Munster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,524 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Cork and Limerick have a way better points tally than Clare so it will be same as the chart you quoted.

    Waterford have to batter Limerick and Clare barely lost to Tipp for Clare not to come last in a 4 points 3 way tie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭randd1


    Anyone else think that the throwing reached beyond farcical levels over this weekend?

    Refs, commentators, pundits, supporters seen to have given up bothering about it. Players don't even attempt a hand-pass nowadays (bar a sublime one to create a goal in the Clare game).

    It really needs a rule change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Vinnie222




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,157 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I felt certain that there were 2 or 3 thrown passes on the way to (I think) Cork's 3rd goal against Tipp? Sure half the time the referee is 40/50 yards away from the play anyway or behind the player's bodies so couldn't possibly see. So I agree a rule change is needed, because it is impossible to enforce as it currently is.

    In regard to the post mentioning steps; it has gone out of control in fairness. Now steps IS enforceable but they are too picky/choosy about when they enforce it (and where on the pitch they enforce it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    There should be a separate umpire/ref whose sole job it is to watch out for steps. That would stop a lot of the blatant stuff fairly quickly.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭17togo


    I think someone alluded to it earlier, if all those technical fouls, like steps and throws were penalised with an indirect free the refs would be willing to pull them up for it more.

    The game might be a bit stop startish for a couple of seasons but players would adjust to it fairly quickly. The throwing has become a bit of a farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,149 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    As long as you have Marty spazzing out over every match and Donal og claiming it's just so lightning fast that mere mortals can't see it, and the stands are full, there'll be no appetite to do anything about any of that stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Marty was exceptionally insufferable on Sunday. It's worse he is getting. It shows the distain that RTE sport have for hurling . This guy reads off a pre scripted sheet before the game and then says 'they love their hurling in Cork ' 10 times. Let's not even start with the geography lesson.. 'Pat horgan from the North side of Cork city', ' Shane Kingston from the south side of Cork City'..'Fitzgibbon from North Cork'... 'Jimmy Jones from the North East part of West Cork.." god save us. And Marty from the backside of West Clare where there isn't an Ash tree for a 40 mile radius



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Marty's worse commentary ever was around the time Delores O"Riordan died. And he tried to shoehorn "Do you have to, do you have to let it linger" at the end of the match repeated about 10 times. It was extremely awkward.

    I still think Marty is better than Ger Canning though. But that is not a high bar.

    I am amazed how RTE has not given Oisin Langan more high profile commentary. He does Dubs TV and GAAGO. Makes it seem easy.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Posts: 260 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is the weekend where I finally conceded to myself that there is no point in talking about throws or steps anymore, for this year at least.
    We're 4 or 5 years into systematic throw ball and the situation is only getting worse each year, with less scrutiny by the media. Now, not only are the throws ignored by everyone, goals involving multiple throws are hailed as brilliant team goals, goal of the weekend etc. by pundits.

    Certain teams are praised for how efficiently they can move the ball out of tight situations into space, while everyone ignoring a significant contributor to that efficiency. I don't know how some of the ex-player pundits can keep a straight face while talking viewers through replays of passages of play involving multiple throws, there is zero chance they don't notice.

    Steps are possibly easier to referee than throws but when refs decided to add on a totally arbitrary number of additional allows steps for when a player appears to being fouled, the steps goose was cooked. Now everyone is used to seeing passages of play where the allowed steps is exceeded and the steps creep continues. The highest profile steps incident of the weekend involved Billy Ryan, it should have been penalized, the resulting goal disallowed and Dublin winning the game, yet it wasn't even close to being the most extreme abuse of steps in that game (despite what the co-commentator claimed) and was pale in comparison to some other goals we've seen this year or Patrick Horgan's 5 steps one way, 5 steps the other way routine that we saw for multiple points on Sunday.

    It is difficult to overstate the effect that this ignoring of rules has on the game, like how can you defend? You hear pundits criticizing a defender for letting an attacker passed him while ignoring that the attacker was already on 4 or 5 steps and at the exact point at which the attacker should have put the ball on his hurl allowing the defender to attempt to dispossess, the attacker changed direction or stepped inside and took at another 4 or 5 steps before taking a shot

    Anyway, unfortunately nothing is going to change until its being talked about in the media again and there is no sign of that happening soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,891 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    He's next to useless at commentary. Your not watching a match for a history or geography lesson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭C4000


    There is one permutation that could cause a fair bit of confusion at the weekend.

    If Wexford beat Kilkenny and Galway draw with Dublin, then Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin would all have 6 points.

    In Leinster, it then comes down to the head to head records of the three tied times. In that mini league Kilkenny would have 3 points, Galway would have 2 points, and Dublin would have 1 point.

    But it would be Kilkenny and Dublin that would qualify. This is because the rule states that the head to head records above are only used to determine which of the three tied teams is placed highest.

    It then reverts to a head to head between the still tied teams, and as Galway and Dublin would have drawn, it would go to overall scoring difference in the group, where Dublin would have the advantage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Must admit that its funny reading the Kilkenny lads looking for every indiscretion to be blown for having spent 20 years appealing to refs to let the game flow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    The extra steps was definately something that Kilkenny took full advantage of more than most. I give you Colin 10 Step Fennelly . But it's a joke now how endemic it is.

    In fairness to Tipperary amd Kilkenny they seem to be the least likely to throw the ball and I agree Luke Meade threw the ball twice in the '1/2' with Connolly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    The remarkable and embarrassing collapse in the Tipperary support is highlighted again tonight in tullamore tonight where the Offaly support was truly Phenomenal. And Offaly have experienced less success in recent years than Tipperary. It's almost as if Tipperary supporters cannot accept not being the Premier County in real life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Some very weird posters obsessed with tipperary on this site. Tipp thread is mostly clare limerick posters at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Oisin can be a hype merchant too, he was screaming what a finish after Brian Hayes goal on Saturday, Bubbles was quick to tell him Eoin Murphy would be disappointed with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Probably just observing 'chickens coming home to roost'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Your from clare, ye haven't won Munster since 98. Yere chickens are well roosted at this stage. Tipp support at minor final other night against clare was v good BTW, you probably weren't there to notice though.

    2012 clare v waterford Munster championship. 12k turned up from both counties. These facts aren't aligning with Yere points about only tipperary having poor support. Don't let facts get in the way of yere story though I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I certainly was and even heard a few mutterings of 'Tip, Tip, Tip', which unsurprisingly fizzled out quickly. Whether we win regularly or not is relatively unimportant to Clare like most counties. We continue to support our team regardless as Cork did last Sunday and Offaly tonight. Whereas the Tipperary support has proven incredibly fragile. That's an opinion shared by most hurling supporters including Tipperary supporters that I have spoken to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    So what happened in 2012 or 2016 when 4 counties including clare cork limerick managed 16k fans between them for ko hurling. Oh so winning not important, well ye are pretty successful at not winning tbf. Haven't heard any kilkenny or cork supporter kick tipp much since sunday,respect between these counties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,157 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    No it’s just score difference between them in the matches against each other, not wins, losses and draws



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