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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    My Ioniq had a button just to switch off climate control for the passenger seat, my Tesla does that automatically as it all cars have a sensor in the seat so it knows if someone is sitting there or not.

    That's an improvement and a cost saving, and one less pointless button. I wouldn't consider that acting the maggot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I like having the choice. Driving alone I keep the climate control on for the whole car, I prefer it that way.

    In my opinion the Tesla method above is not an improvement but it is a cost saving alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,767 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Guy turned away from a car park on case his ev caught fire!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c90zjne2v0jo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    You still have the option to turn it on if you want, you just don't have a redundant button anymore.

    I'm sure people missed hand cranking their engine, and people that miss their chokes. Doesn't mean making them obsolete wasn't an improvement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    the rav4 cuts the climate to just the driver too automatically and it has an actual button to override it, best of both worlds!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Big batteries with big unfused cables are prone to fires. Isolators are common on nearly all heavy commercial diesels for this reason. I assume when EVs start getting a big agey the fire issue will start to manifest itself more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Ice cars are between 20 and 80 times more likely to go on fire. That's 0.0012 per cent chance of a passenger EV catching fire, compared to 0.1 per cent for an ice vehicle.

    "...Approximately 100,000 cars catch fire in the UK every year..."

    Hardly any mention of it in media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Good that you have the choice. What the f you are on about hand cranking and chokes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    He's confusing control with automation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭crl84


    Unlikely.

    And currently not the case.

    So more misinformation nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Interesting that they single out BEVs and not hybrids since they would seem to be riskiest of all. Substantial battery packs in close proximity to liquid fuel and a hot running engine would seem to me to the most likely to go on fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Statistically it makes no sense. But I don't think they care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,392 ✭✭✭zg3409




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Just an industry story...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭crl84


    I'd say it absolutely is an anti-EV story as it is implying that Chinese EVs are clogging up ports because they can't be sold. The original article doesn't really say that at all.

    As someone who works in the international logistics industry, there are several aspects of it that don't make any sense. Car manufacturers don't send their cars half way across the world with noone to collect/distribute/buy them. The ports would be paid (at multiplying costs) for cargo at the port,even if cars were piling up. It also uses weasel words and vague terminology to imply that vehicles are there for 18months, when anyone that has tried to get an MG or BYD in the last two years knows that there were several months wait to get a car, and they were basically rolling off ships directly to dealers who couldn't get them out the door fast enough, so who knows that cars are supposedly sitting there for 18 months. There's basically zero details or explanation on what is supposedly happening, just a reference to an article which references another article which references another article, which references a claim in the FT from unnamed sources. That article says that the real issue is that some companies haven't arranged proper pickup of the vehicles, or that the companies that have done so are struggling to get trucks and drivers. Also doesn't state that it's specific to EVs or Chinese ones at that. That's ignoring the fact that the port are getting paid for any cargo sitting there.

    The RTE article is basically chock-full of fluff that has nothing to do with supposedly full ports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That photo reminds me of an article I read back in January. Looks like they are using a photo of a Chinese port claiming it to be a "clogged up" European port... Why wouldn't they provide a picture of the strangely unnamed European port referenced in the article?

    All very strange

    https://en.wheelz.me/byds-explorer-no-1-embarks-on-historic-maiden-voyage/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There are using a stock photo from a photographic news agency. I assume because it's the byd ship. You could ask them why no pictures of everything mentioned in the article including all the people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Some of the FUD there is mad. They're going to go on fire and you'll run out of charge being the best ones. Like there's no option there it's just going to happen. And the guy who said you couldn't get a charge if you went to Caherdaniel, seems to have missed the fact that there are three 22kW chargers a few hundred metres down the road, more in Sneem and 30km away in Cahirsiveen there are four ESB chargers from 50-150kW at the SuperValu there.

    Edit: Missed the bit where one of them said they wouldn't know where to recycle the batteries. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't think its accidental that they picked all the adults for the fud comments and a child for the only pro EV comment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    FUD is very effective. I did Dublin to Cahersiveen holiday no bother in a EV. No home charging in Dublin or in the holiday home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Yeah, FUD is very effective with the wilfully ignorant ("There isn't a lot of information on them" 🤣). Your man worried about chargers in Caherdaniel is presumably coming from Cork, which is 150km away. He wouldn't need one unless he's driving an old Nissan Leaf or Ioniq 28. And there are multiple options on the way to and from Cork anyway: Macroom, Kenmare, Sneem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think it's time to let the fud roam free and hopefully we'll be able to leverage that and get cheaper EVs and more govt incentives. Bring back free tolls etc. Free road tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's a double edged sword, cheaper EVs means less resale value, low demand means fewer public charge points



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,331 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Unless they start removing them I don't see how there will be fewer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭maidhc


    they cost money to maintain. If profit isn’t been made they will just be shut down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    In 5 years time the charging network will be extensive, it's expanding rapidly at present. In addition cars will have the range to allay range anxiety fears.

    What we're in at the moment is the growing pains stage.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭crl84


    I don't agree that cars will have the range to allay range anxiety fears.

    Creating cars with huge batteries for some edge cases makes little financial sense for most manufacturers, and is a case of diminishing returns.

    Faster (800v+) charging, and better infrastructure is likely the way forward,especially in a small island like Ireland.

    For the overwhelming amount of people, lugging around (and paying for) a huge battery that you rarely need to use even a quarter of the capacity makes little sense, if you have plentiful chargers on major routes that can add the 150km needed to get home, in less than 10mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    If battery technology stood still then you'd have a point but it's constantly evolving with a report from China this week that BYD will have an updated Seal coming to the market in 2025 with their next generation of batteries.

    Faster charging than what we already have here ain't happening for a long time if ever due to the fact the ESB cannot supply the power necessary.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    The biggest hurdle with charging isn't the voltage, it's the charging curve. If you had a battery that charged 300kW on a flat curve, you'd have a 100kWh battery fully charged from zero in twenty minutes.



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