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Knock/Eirtrade thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,333 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I do chuckle at Knocks twitter announcing the arrival of these aircraft, but not why they're there. They were the same when the A380 came in. We can take an A380! Yes, but it's never getting out again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    I do chuckle at Knocks twitter announcing the arrival of these aircraft, but not why they're there. They were the same when the A380 came in. We can take an A380! Yes, but it's never getting out again.

    Actually I think it can, maybe not fully laden :D

    (I think I read that somewhere!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    I do chuckle at Knocks twitter announcing the arrival of these aircraft, but not why they're there. They were the same when the A380 came in. We can take an A380! Yes, but it's never getting out again.

    The runway can take an empty landing A380 (and probably at other weights too).

    Although I'd call an airport 'able to take' an aircraft only when it has a stand to park it!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    The runway at Knock is 200 Mtrs longer than runway 16 at Dublin, which has been regularly used over the years for transatlantic 330 departures, so I'd be reasonably confident that it would be possible to get a 330 out of Knock with a decent revenue load.

    As to the chances of that happening on a regular basis, that's another story.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Masala


    The runway at Knock is 200 Mtrs longer than runway 16 at Dublin, which has been regularly used over the years for transatlantic 330 departures, so I'd be reasonably confident that it would be possible to get a 330 out of Knock with a decent revenue load.

    As to the chances of that happening on a regular basis, that's another story.

    .... aaahhh. I remember then Norwegian Air hop from Scotland that tried a USA service from Knock. Well enough said about that!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Fly Globespan wasn't it? Terrible airline. Tried to do it with a 737, which unsurprisingly didn't have the legs to get across the Atlantic westbound in one go most of the time.

    I said it on a Shannon Airport thread yesterday, but it's every bit as applicable to Knock - long haul outside of Dublin is all but dead, Knock might as well post videos of 330s and 380s landing for scrapping, because that's the only reason they will ever have to land at Knock. It's the equivalent of medical diversions at Shannon, brings in a few quid for the airport but of no real relevance to scheduled passenger operations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    Knock should be publicising why these are flying in - careful recycling which makes aviation more sustainable, local jobs etc. The glass half-full argument, rather than the fact that there's no passengers aboard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    Fly Globespan wasn't it? Terrible airline. Tried to do it with a 737, which unsurprisingly didn't have the legs to get across the Atlantic westbound in one go most of the time.

    They used 757s that were constantly going tech at the end. Remember horror stories of people getting stranded in New York.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Would have been a great addition if operated by a reasonable airline. New york straight into knock - brilliant for anyone from the west but with old planes that seemed to be faulty more than they flew, it was a mess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭mayo.mick


    Took a spin up to the airport earlier. Been a while since I was there. Jeeze, them A330's are BIG, could see them from miles off!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭hopeso


    One of the Qatar A330's departed Knock today for Kemble, in the UK. It will be scrapped there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    The other A330 left for Kemble last week as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    EI LAX arrived in knock today from Shannon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That one was from May (and I've just realised so was your post, oops! 😁 )

    Weird that tweets used to embed on the old site, but not the new one... here's EI-LAX from this afternoon. Aer Lingus didn't bother covering over the livery as most airlines do. Think this is the first time Knock have mentioned "final journey" in their tweets (I suppose if they didn't, some goon would start posting about EI starting a TA service from Knock!!)

    https://twitter.com/Irelandwest/status/1421094066230636546

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭3d4life


    Qatar have taken some of their 350s out of service due to an issue with the skin. They are subbing 330s.

    Might this shuffle of 330 be related to the 350 issue ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭john boye


    Yes. They've taken a number of A350s out of service and returned some of their A330s as replacements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    No, the A330s still on Qatar's books being returned to use were/are all in storage in Doha, the A330 (VPCNV, formerly A7AEA) which went to Kemble is not part of their fleet - was owned by Castlelake and recently sold to Executive Jet for parts recovery by Air Salvage International.

    The issue with the A350s is the under paint conductive metal mesh (basically the anti-lightning coat) I believe.

    Possibly related to the A7-ALL issue which was discovered last year in Shannon? A7-ALL was sent to Tolouse months ago but not repaired so could be a bigger issue than we know.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Always sad to see a A330 land for the last time. The A330-200 was revolutionary at the time and opened up the west coast to AL operations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    It's slightly more at 228 metres longer/748 feet.

    Pretty certain 16/34 can only handle departing A330-200 with PAX at MTOW (or A330-300 ferrying with a reduced MTOW perhaps - no passengers, no cargo, less fuel etc.), but not A330-300 with PAX at full MTOW, though I could be wrong, have seen crosswind departures where traffic including the 200s was using 16 for departures but the 300s still used 10R/28L during the same period of 16 usage.

    The extra 228 metres at Knock obviously makes a bit of a difference however as 747s are cleared from Knock with PAX, something 16/34 can't handle.

    Probably worth nothing that it's not just the runway lenght and MTOW which dictates which aircraft can use it, but also the ambient temperature, climb restrictions etc.

    Post edited by GM228 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    In relation to runway 16 at Dublin, the departures from which overfly my house, I can say that I have seen A330-300s using this runway on many occasions, to destinations in the USA - admittedly this tends to be when the winds are strong and from the south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    it also depends on pavement strength for a fully loaded 330-300 and a wide enough turning circle at either end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    I was under the impression that an A330-300 at MTOW was just outside the TORA and TODA/ASDA limits of 16/34, possibly 2500 for the TODA IIRC.

    TORA/TODA/ASDA of 16 and 34 is 2072/2255/2072 and 2072/2133/2072 metres respectively, anyone got up to date figures for the A330-300?



  • Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Have they started on EI-LAX yet, thanks



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  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Ya they have been working on her the last while



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Whatever happened their plans to scrap more A380s (2 or 3 was it?) at Knock?



  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Virgin Atlantic A330 due in for scrap around 1 30 today from London Heathrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    I wonder would they sell a cut out of Fearless Lady :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭hopeso


    F-HPJD which was scheduled to be the next A380 to arrive at Knock has left Paris, where it was stored since been withdrawn 2 years ago, and is on it's way to Tarbes in the south of France. I think they dismantle aircraft there, so that's probably one less for Knock?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    HPJB was the AF A380 that came to knock.

    I see HPJC is stored at Tarbes or at least was stored there. Perhaps HPJD is just going for storage too. Could both turn up in knock yet.

    Maybe the people who own these things are holding fire. Maybe post covid air travel will be an entirely different world more suited to larger aircraft flying main hub to main hub.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,660 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub


    They do aircraft dismantling in Tarbes too, there would be no need to send it to Knock for that. See




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭john boye


    What if they got a much better deal from Knock?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,660 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw




  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Must be for Eirtrade due in around 7 tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    I wonder if renewed interest in the A380 post Covid has impacted the proposed hangar going ahead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    15:54 in the air and a fairly mad routing both to avoid conflict zones and to keep the Chinese happy. That's coming up on three hours longer than it should be if they could just follow the great circle route.

    I wonder how much fuel is being wasted daily across the world's fleet by not being able to fly in a straight line.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    possibly but surly they need a hanger anyway? They are stripping aircraft down in the open. It’s very windy up there even on a fine day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    You don't need a hangar to dismantle an aircraft, even in Irish weather.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭irishgeo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Well, I assume normal working practices are such that Eirtrade have to conduct their activities in such a way as not to affect the airport operations and the manoeuvring areas. And how many aircraft have been broken up outdoors at NOC to date - maybe 20 or so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    Thats why they drive up and down the runway almost hourly to check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Runway is probably cleaner than many kitchen floors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    Another EVA aircraft arrived this morning from Taipei, B-16703, Boeing 777-300ER.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Only 18 years old!

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Does Eirtrade bid on these planes or how does it work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    A330 due into knock in the morning for Eirtrade from Taipei.



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