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N5 - Ballaghaderreen to Scramoge [construction to commence shortly]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Yup, a small hard standing is now done at this spot. Big enough for a mini compound for the link road into the town, Drying room, toilets, canteen, storage, a site office and car parking I'd guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Engineering jobs being advertised with a start date in April, presumably that's when the works will get into full swing as the ground will have dried out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Plenty of activity on a couple of crossings over existing roads.

    This is looking west where the new road crosses the R369 (Elphin to Bellanagare).


    Something similar on the R368 (Strokestown to Elphin rd), but I couldn't pull in to take a snap.

    Plenty of extra lorries on the road as well over the last week or so, I'd say it'll kick off proper after Easter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Great stuff. Looks like its kicked off already



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Great to finally see some earth moving works. Hopefully some of the lost time will be clawed back to get this badly needed road open.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭Bikerguy


    Do we know when its going to be finished...or planned to be?



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Up to 4 years according to press releases. Hopefully it will be less than that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭Bikerguy


    Just moving in area....and wondering if that will drive the prices down or up (property)


    I live 5 min away...but renting now and going to buy... hopefully



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    I'd imagine lots of houses built along the old n5 route that will be bypassed will see an increase to their desirability due to the reduction in traffic. Especially any of the older builds which were a bit too close to the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Think it was 4 years from the signing of contracts last year, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was open around this time three years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Demolition of three derilict houses underway on the route of the new main link road into Strokestown.



  • Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    A few updates on this scheme. For starters, the first newsletter is out. It even mentions a Bugatti Veyron!

    The contractor has also provided a defibrillator for public use:

    And predictably, a local election candidate is making up safety problems in an effort to appear relevant:



  • Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Local councillors afraid that nobody will visit the likes of Strokestown or Tulsk once the new N5 opens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Westernview


    A town that dies after a bypass is a town that was dying anyway.

    Strokestown should have enough going for it if the local politicians and committees there are any ways competent. But Frenchpark, Tulsk and Bellanagare don't look like they could get much worse anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If you are reliant on captive tourism (people driving through and stopping bc they have no choice) then you weren't a good destination to begin with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    In my experience, people just want to get through places like these, and only stop if it's absolutely necessary (toilet, fuel, etc). Meanwhile, locals are put off from going anywhere near the town because of the heavy through traffic.

    Really what the councillor should be asking for is funding to turn these towns' main streets back into a local streets, and undo decades of works that changed them into HGV routes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes that's what they should be doing. If anything the removal of the HGVs and heavy traffic at peak times should enhance the experience of living in these places. It will also allow the introduction of segrated cycle lanes and other active travel measures.

    The new brown tourist signs on the new by pass will also direct tourists on to anything worth visiting so it's just the usual pre-election noise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Quoting myself from last year, with details of active travel schemes planned for the bypassed towns. Presumably these will include some public realm improvements etc that will make the towns more attractive places to visit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,550 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
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    Very true. Same alarming voices could be heard regarding Ballaghaderreen bypass. Did the town die? Nope.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Potentially a separate thread topic but a great opportunity for Strokestown to reimagine itself after the bypass.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I checked details of the proposed public and was horrified to find this;

    https://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/about_us/part-8-local-authority-own-developments/community-enterprise/part-8-strokestown-public-realm-enhancement-project/

    The plan is essentially to turn the town from the informal car park it is now to a more formalised car park. No significant usable public space, "Exposed Aggregate concrete" footpaths, cyclists to use footpaths - an enormous missed opportunity given the space available.

    What is the point of providing loads of parking spaces when they are worried nobody will visit the town? They certainly aren't giving people a reason to visit with this. I assume it is the locals limiting ambition here as Ros CoCo have impressive proposals elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,261 ✭✭✭markpb


    Wow, that’s pretty depressing stuff! On the second widest street in Ireland (their claim), pedestrians gain 60cm (only on one side) but now have to share the footpath with cyclists. Clearly there’s not enough space to split them and produce a safer and more pleasant route for both.

    Why is that? Because the road will still be 6.5m wide. In their own words, “operation of the road will remain as per the current usage”. DMURS says that local streets (which this should be when the bypass opens) should be 5 to 5.5m wide. 6.5m wide roads are for heavily trafficked routes.

    The trees will be retained unless they get in the way of parking - they’ll be nuked for that crime.

    The roundabout will be improved but not removed. Can’t get in the way of keeping traffic flowing.

    Theres no mention of continuous footpaths at side road crossings, just “ramped uncontrolled crossing” although I may be mistaken on that one.

    The only positive improvement I can see is the addition of some zebra crossings but on road that is 6.5m wide, I suspect they won’t be used by the very young, very old or vulnerable pedestrians.

    The design brief for this was clearly along the lines of: tidy the town up, don’t make it any harder for people to drive or park and do the bare minimum to tick the ‘active travel’ box so we might get some NTA funding.



  • Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    It didn't die but it's in a coma on life support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    The locals were up for the redevelopment initially, but ended up mostly against the finished design for a couple of main reasons.

    The parking spaces that would be lost were right around the centre of the town, where they are most useful for the shops. More spots lost up where parents drop off/ collect kids from the schools as well. Ros CoCo indicated off street parking could be developed in the future, but there is not really anywhere suitable in the centre of the town. Also, why not make it part of the development now, would go a long way to allaying fears over it never getting done even if a magical space appeared for it.

    Some small grass areas and planters are to be installed on some of those parking spots, and the local tidy town committee weren't too happy to find out they would be responsible for maintaining them without any prior consultation.

    Parking was to be removed off one side of Elphin St /R368 altogether, with a cycle path going in instead to connect the town out to the new main roundabout to the N4. This would have been the biggest disaster of all, restricting parking near the local church and funeral home. Plenty of people living on that street too, and no plans provided as to where they could park. This part of the scheme I believe has now been dropped or scaled back and the parking remains.

    About the only proposal that everyone does agree on is the relocation of the bus stops from where they are on Bridge St, as you come off the roundabout heading to Dublin, up onto Church St where the width of that street is far more suitable and safe. The town has looked for the stops to be moved for years. I'd wager anyone on the May to Dublin weekly commute has been held up by a bus here a few time a year.

    The other end of the wide streets to the gates of Strokestown Park House is also to have the parking broken up, making what is a defacto plaza for events in the town, e.g Xmas market, Easter parade review stand, difficult to host in the future.

    The development proposal just comes across as a box ticking exercise to say money was spent on the town after bypassing, rather than making any meaningful impact to attracting new businesses to the town.

    Ros Co.co haven't a great track record in this area lately, looking at the mess they made of the Square in Roscommon Town, the second attempt in five years at maximising that space, just finished, hasn't won many hearts over either from what I gather.

    Any plans for the major redevelopment of the public spaces of any town is always going to have pro's and cons, but there were far too many issues with it for the majority of the town locals to get behind it, especially when the CoCo wouldn't engage in a meaningful way with them to find some compromises.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    So on the second widest street in the country in a town with a population of less than 1,000 people, there is nowhere suitable for removing parking spaces. There is no need to have three rows of perpendicular parking and two parallel roads, in addition to the main road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭spakman


    You could park at least 3 cars deep between the road and the footpath down Church St and Bawn St



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭paulbok


    You could but the two nearest the path would never get out. There's just enough space to park one car out to the road edge and another to the path, leaving just enough of a gap between to move in and out of those spaces.

    The problem with the spaces being removed is that they are mainly those nearest the existing shops.



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