Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

Was on the Castletroy Greenway last week which has bike and foot separated by a curbed concrete footpath and a tar cycleway. Everyone was walking on the tar and when I had to use the bell to alert a couple with their backs to me their reaction was to get out of my way by cutting across my path "to safety"

People on shared spaces (or not shared in my case) need to adopt the New York emergency services principle of never deviating when hearing a warning sign.

This isn't the Netherlands, people here sometimes get angry when they're asked to pay attention and move their asses.

People just living in their own little bubbles and that's across the board: walkers/dog walkers/cyclists, in dreamland or wandering all over the shop or blocking the way or speeding. I don't know if it's down to ignorance or just plain old entitlement. "Rules" may be posted up but rules are for other people, not me.

I find some cyclists get stroppy when they have to slow down for anything at all. Omg my training spin totally ruined.

Its one of those it depends, if youre close to them the bell gives them a fright ,

If you do it from a distance back they dont take any notice ,so no you have to ding twice - and they'll crankily tell you they heard you the first time 😉

Still i'd rather people kept left , cyclists dinged their bells and dog walkers kept their dogs on a short leash,

Small kids ? Uh , youre on your own there ,

You certainly don't seem to have much tolerance yourself anyway - walkers/dog walkers/cyclists yeah they really are the worst of society aren't they.

Yes I fully expect some of the new-build greenways near to urban areas will be re-done as fully segregated facilities in the future. The current "fudge" has been great to get some finished infrastructure over the line but it's not ideal.

"People just living in their own little bubbles and that's across the board: walkers/dog walkers/cyclists, in dreamland or wandering all over the shop or blocking the way or speeding. I don't know if it's down to ignorance or just plain old entitlement."

You're trying to tell me that's not intolerant? Tell me what you meant then.

Initial consultation on the East Coast greenway from Wicklow to Greystones is out on the 18th

The Emerging Preferred Route Corridor is available to view now;

From the looks of it, north of Newcastle the route will be west of the rail line, so probably no sea views. I'd say it will have to move inland around the Kilcoole Estuary for both cost and ecological reasons. South of Newcastle, it could be along with sea and incorporate sea defences.

there's remarkably little information in the Wicklow consultation - they can either go along the coast or inland. I could have told them that 5 years ago when this was first proposed.

I'll go along to the presentation on the 18th and see if there's anything extra to be found out, but I don't expect to be riding my bike along it until I'm probably long retired.

An update on this - it seems that in order to be a funded project by TII all projects must adhere to TII project management phases, such that projects can be compared and appraised against other Greenway projects nationally, (e.g for allocation of funds to one project vs another).

I also think that part of it is to prevent judicial reviews of projects. TII phasing is definitely structured with that in mind also, so if a project wasn't conforming prior (which this one 100% wasn't) then it makes sense they dictate you must redo all phases as a condition of funding.

They did say that previous work and route selection will be allowed to influence this new route, but this is technically a distinct new project.

Public consultation for Greenway from carndonagh to three trees (Quigley's point), 24th/25th April. Expect the below domain to be updated on that date.

This combined with buncrana to Bridgend, and buncrana to carndonagh, would create an almost 80km greenway loop from Derry city around Inishowen and back

https://threetreescarndonaghgreenway.ie/

I went along to this, and there was no more information than is on the website.

I spoke to one of the council bods - they started with 3 route corridors, quickly ruled out the one along the R761 and he told me they will almost certainly ditch the option through the countryside as it's way too complicated in terms of land acquisition.

Considering that it was alway expected that this would be along the railway line, they've spent the last year looking at phoney alternatives before coming back to the decision that it'll be… along the railway line. They'll probably have to move from the seaward side to the landward side of the railway in places, which could be tricky in terms of dealing with Irish Rail who are in general trying to remove manual crossings on the network.

Currently you can cross the railway at Kilcoole, Newcastle and 5 mile point to access the beach (possibly also at Killoughter, I haven't been there) - you have to manually open gates in all these places. However there are currently only 5 trains in each direction per day on this line; if the proposed Dart extension to Wicklow goes ahead (even if it's only one train an hour in each direction) I don't see how they could have a greenway crossing the line at grade in multiple locations.

IR are also working on a massive coastal protection scheme that is more advanced than this greenway but will undoubtedly influence the design of the greenway.

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If there's notices up saying the car park will be closed, well that's on the people who didn't check.

Getting dark shortly after 9 anyhow, what are people messing around after that time for anyway? There aren't any lights on it.

Infuriating. The project has been delayed long enough already. Is that something that should have been picked up by DCC?

Are we talking about the car park at Middleton train station? Because the website says it's open 24 hours. If it's not open 24 hours, someone done goofed and people can understandably be miffed.

https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/station/midleton

And is there no access or other carparks along the line? Mogeely for example?