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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Totally agree that he did the absolute wrong thing in relation to his brother and I am glad he has admitted to wrong doing and addressed that.

    Not seeing the 'elder statesman' vibe, I'd associate that more with Ahern's rehabilitation (albeit ably assisted by some in the media) but I think I stopped following him on twitter. Will have a look.
    I doubt his musing will affect government talks though, so doubtless this is off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I think you are correct in that "his musings" will not "affect government talks though"…."his musings" would only affect government talks if SF were likely or attempting to form a government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Good loser


    O Broin interviewed on Morning Ireland re housing Thurs.

    Interesting contrast between his attitudes to house prices and rentals. Contradictions actually. SF are against 'Right to Buy' and a few other such Govt policies on the grounds that they raise house prices and restrict supply for others in the market.

    Restricting house rents, limiting evictions and other constraints on landlords have the same effects on the rental market i.e. limit supply of houses etc for rent and push up the level of rents for those in the market for tenancies.

    He's slippery!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sinn Fein manage to yet again prove how incompetent they are and the DUP not much better

    Can't even arrange a meet and greet with the Taoiseach without f**king it up.

    Doesn't bode well for the people of Northern ireland, especially when you consider the meeting was about cross border project

    Incompetence again on display with everything to do with Sinn Fein

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/irish-premier-visit-northern-ireland-080016288.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It shows how much you know if you think either SF or any other party in the north would be singlehandedly making the arrangements for something like this.
    It would be an entirely civil service function and politicians would be told where to be.
    Anyway, it seems the 'incompetence' was on the Harris delegations side according to the BBC.

    A Stormont source said it is normal for official delegations to phone ahead to say they were imminent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I’m shocked the responses is another in the latest long line of excuses when it comes to anything SF are involved in

    You could say it’s just bad luck, but it’s just incompetence as usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They didn't phone ahead Clo.

    That's embarrassing for you tbh. The idea that SF are at fault for everything is one of you competencies even if you are wrong. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "A stormont source" 😂

    Sinn Fein yet again show they are totally incompetent, simple meet & greet every government is able to do across the World and they f**k it up

    Will leave you to the 101 post of excuses and jumping around, it's hilarious but I have better things to do

    Remember

    Sinn Fein = Incompetence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'Jumping around'?

    What about you 'jumping up and down' incompetently finding fault with the wrong people?

    Simon Harris's delegation didn't follow protocol and ring ahead was the cause of the glitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …you might wanna prepare for a possible sf lead government here soon, you could be right in regards incompetence but many voters truly dont give a sh1t at this stage, just prepare yourself for the possibility of this, cause if you dont, its gonna sting just a bit……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The only thing he/she needs to do is realise that every government since the dawn of governments has done some things competently and others things incompetently.
    The current government being a case in point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If it was Mary Lou that was driving up the Avenue to Stormont, then the front door would have been opened and the First Minister would not have taken so long powdering her nose ( slapping on layers of make up, depending on your point of view ) as she was.

    Harris did not spend too long there, he probably wanted to get back in case the Gardai sealed the border anyway. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If it was Mary Lou that was driving up the Avenue to Stormont, 

    I'm sure the civil service officials would not make the same mistake again and forget to ring ahead. Or maybe they would, the fact seems to be, they did forget to do it this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Or else Michelle would have her make up already done and would have the security hut / gate lodge at the entrance to the Stormont estate phone to say visitors are arriving? I doubt it was first outing for the Garda driver for the Taoiseach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    According to the BBC the protocol is for the visitors to phone ahead, they didn't, hence the glitch.
    If you have a source that refutes this, post it. Otherwise you are making stuff up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The BBC actually said "A Stormont source said it is normal for official delegations to phone ahead to say they were imminent. As excuses go it sounded, well, a little limp."

    I agree with the BBC: As excuses go it sounded, well, a little limp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Of course it was an 'excuse', something had to excuse it and it was limp to forget to phone ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If indeed the "stormont source" was correct that it was protocol to phone ahead. In any case, I am surprised the security hut / gate lodge at the entrance to the Stormont estate did not phone to say vip visitors are arriving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Do the Shinners man the gate?
    The funny thing here is the ‘it’s the Shinners fault’ brigade salivating over what was a minor glitch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭pureza


    I see from the Irish Times,Michelle O'Neills top advisor has been moved south into Mary Lou's team to shake things up for the 26 county general election

    He's very good but tbh Michelle o'Neill would top the poll in any of the border Dáil constituencies and they'd be aswell doing that and move Mary Lou aside altogether,give her back to the EU parliament maybe

    Is there any block to an NI first minister or MLA sitting in the Dáil?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Must have started work already. I see they are back up to 29% in the polls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭pureza


    In fairness thats not the question I asked😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    in fairness I don’t know the answer to the question you asked and I would not think that it will arise with their current FM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Polls matter when Sinn Fein are 29%, but not when they are in the doldrums. Who'd have thought that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭pureza


    Aoife Moores book is now out in paperback and riding high in the Easons top sellers list again

    Its a good and interesting read if you are into your politics and recent history going into a lot of detail as to who Sinn Féin are and how they operate in 2024

    It's also quite sobering

    Essentially edicts from outside the State (Belfast) govern what the party say or do

    Currently thats directing them down as much of the populist route as possible in an effort to get into government,their route (Belfasts) to getting a UI referendum they think

    Whilst the book gives lots of detail on that,its always been common knowledge and a major drag on FF's attitude towards doing business with them

    Their new man from head office is supposed to be very good so We ain't seen nothing yet in terms of the charming of the voters they need

    Quite an exciting time from a politics officianado's point of view and I am one of those



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I see Michelle O’Neill has apologised for attending the funeral of the violent thug Bobby Storey. They knew exactly what they were doing - giving the boss a send off. Easy apologise now. Undermined the messaging around Covid response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It would be interesting to revisit that thread and see which posters claimed she had nothing to apologise for, who fully defended her attendance and claimed she didn't break Covid rules.

    Which of them will be the first to apologise for being wrong again?



  • Administrators Posts: 54,285 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Is there any block to an NI first minister or MLA sitting in the Dáil?

    You have to be a TD to sit in the Dáil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,469 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It would seem that there is no prescribed bar on MP/MLA being a TD too. (Although arguably the last section on the electoral act of 1992 would disbar a lot of folks!)

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/houses-of-the-oireachtas/dail-eireann/

    To be eligible for membership of the Dáil, you must be:

    • An Irish citizen
    • At least 21

    You also cannot be both a member of the Dáil and:

    The Electoral Act 1992 also says that you cannot be a TD if you are ‘of unsound mind’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    with more moving towards the extremes, its becoming less likely of a sf government, as they need those numbers to do so, so it could very well be another ffg government…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    In a thread on 5th of July 2020, FrancieBrady does not seem to see anything wrong with the large Bobby Storey funeral and instead he deflects to Leo having a few cans in a park with someone.

    Interesting I cam across a comment someone else said at the time, that the Bobby Storey funeral was a perfect example of how SF and the IRA are still one and the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Sinn Fein are twisting so much in the wind and performing u-turns that all their loud supporters are being found out.

    Maybe they will criticise her for apologising so they look consistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd agree with the less likely that there will be a SF government but that doesn't necessarily mean a FF/FG/Gr one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So you are seeing it less likely there will be a SF government now: do you think that is partly due to the flip-flaping around within SF - for example over immigration, and over matters like the Bobby Storey funeral - back in the Covid lockdown times in 2020 you or Michelle did not seem to see anything wrong with the very large SF/IRA Bobby Storey funeral (and instead you deflected to Leo having a few cans in a park with someone ), but in recent days the SF leadership of Michelle and Mary Lou have both apologised for attending the funeral of Bobby Storey? Or is it because the public can see through the SF housing policy / can see the objections to planning permissions etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭pureza


    Its a rolling set of opinion polls

    Sinn Féin could be up over 30% again with the next set

    I can see them doing a deal with Fianna Fáil

    Simon Harris then being leader of the opposition

    Politicians are very fickle like that,he'll be shouting at Micheál martin yet and Pearse Doherty will be voting for Micheál as Taoiseach in that scenario as you can be damn sure that the UI referendum will be negotiated into the 2nd half of the new governments term

    Now that vote for Taoiseach will be max fickledom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There won't be a UI referendum during the term of the next government. Why would you put up such an obviously bad prediction that destroys the rest of your analysis.

    Even Pearse has been going around telling MNCs that a united Ireland will be going on the back-burner.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Negotiated how? It is not within the powers of the Irish government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree with some of this.
    Technically a Border Poll is in the gift of the SoS but no SoS will call a poll until a Dublin government wants one.

    The back channels will be open and there will be inter-governmental negotiations on the timing of the call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Another shocking opinion poll for SF. The lads in Belfast must be starting to get worried. Not too sure the Mary Lou, Eoin and Pearse thing is working for them anymore in the 26.

    Post edited by Bobson Dugnutt on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    All about refugees.

    Simon Harris cleared the tents. Why didn't Sinn Fein propose this before it happened? The lack of opposition during the recent referendums damaged the party brand as well. Banging on about Gaza not helping their poll figures either. They need to focus on domestic matters.

    If these figures keep going the way they are, Mary Lou's position is uncertain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    back in the Covid lockdown times in 2020 you or Michelle did not seem to see anything wrong with the very large SF/IRA Bobby Storey funeral

    Once again, the facts don't back you up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I’d imagine Matt, Donnchadh, Ruairí etc are starting to wonder about things.

    The fact of the matter is they managed to get voted I so many duds to the last Dáil. You hear almost nothing from most of them. Folks like Martin Browne, Pat Buckley, Sorca Clarke, Claire Kerrane etc. Red raw useless.

    Very interesting few months for SF coming up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I was listening to Morning Ireland and a contributor who was pointing out the huge variance in different polls and the volatile nature of the electorate currently. He reckoned that when polls are like this that it will all come down to the election campaigns. At this stage I think he may be on the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Lynn Boylan's election isn't certain in Europe.

    Does Sinn Fein even allow leadership heaves?

    If the elections are a disaster for Sinn Fein in 3 weeks, we could be looking at Sinn Fein losing seats at the next election. The anti government vote is moving away from them to independents who are taking a tougher line on refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The refugee issue again highlights the difference between the North and South. The North has no refugee issue, so it's grand for Sinn Fein there to take the high and mighty position and attack the Tories. That's their identity there.

    Down here, where we have a massive refugee issue, Sinn Fein can't take that position. They have to adopt similar policies and similar language to the Tory Party which they attack in the North. They are in a daily conflict with themselves, self inflicted conflict.

    So if Mary Lou made anti refugee comments, she could undermine the Northern Sinn Fein politicians attacks on the Tories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    18 months ago SF were polling at close to 37%, and all the talk was of Mary Lou being the next T. They’ve haemorrhaged almost half that since. That’s a problem. The knives would be out in any other party. The era of Doherty roaring and Mary Lou doing disappointed school principal is over. They really do need to change the record.

    Gerry, Ted, Marty, Gerry and the rest of the top brass have a problem on their hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The knives would be out in any other party.

    Leo had FG at 35% and took them back to GE performance levels. He lasted 4 years and apparently went of his own accord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Party of government for almost 14 years. Battered and bruised. Still polling at the same level as the main opposition party.

    I genuinely don’t know how much longer SF will hold on to Mary Lou. She’s so shrill, condescending, and lacking in energy. Very 2015 tbh. The whole Mary Lou and Michelle thing smacks of auld fellas in Belfast thinking it’s a cohesive strategy to have two women be the figurehead. The floating SF voter wants a sprinkling of United Ireland and Celtic Symphony stuff over their porridge of a fear of immigration.

    Mad times for a party ran on military structures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,190 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Party of government for almost 14 years. Battered and bruised. Still polling at the same level as the main opposition party.

    You said the 'knives would be out in any other party', clearly you were BS.
    You've been talking up the demise of MLMD for yonks now, eventually you will probably be right about that too.

    Also blithely ignoring the massive stirring of the FG - FF porridge on immigration and refugees to gain votes from the ultra right wing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭mikep


    Interesting times ahead alright. There was an SF guy on morning Ireland yesterday who got very tetchy when pushed as to how they would achieve what they want from the asylum system, they are great at saying what they want but short on detail as to how to achieve it.

    I wonder are people copping on to this now..



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