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  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭lmk123




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But it won't solve the problem better than doubling the size and staff of UHL. It looks good because "now we have 2 hospitals not 1" but it's not the reality.

    Ennis and Nenagh is different because that's a geographical issue.

    And when you say there used to be 3. Hospitals used to do a lot less back then and you didn't have all the various pathways behind the A&E triage and assessment area.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭geotrig


    saw that in the paper the other day thought it was a terrible idea outside of the crass element of using AJ name the get a few headline or votes

    There was a thread elsewhere on this forum where someone explained the tiering system of hospitals and why re-opening Johns ,Ennis ED etc doesn't actually solve the problem only make it worse ,it was quiet informative even if I didn't agree with everthing in the thread re the work force etc….the thing is, if they did buy this ,which I think i did see another headline stating it was been looked at ,they would have to man it with Dr's ,Nurse's etc and other departmental staff and equipment which isn't in great supply(staff) and it would be pretty much doubling the workforce for not much gain or public benefit, so putting a patient into a ambulance to get them to the main hospital afterwards is just unnecessary steps in a process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Trouwe Ier


    Something else I've noticed since the plethora of posters went up over the past 36 hours (or maybe earlier) is that only those for B Leddin, C ní Catháin, D Butler, D Ryan and M Quinlivan seem to indicate that they are standing for the mayoralty.

    B Leddin's posters state "for Mayor" in large font whilst only some of D Butler's do, the other three candidates' posters seem to have the word "Mayor" in much smaller font.

    E O'Donovan just has her mugshot and a "1": it is not immediately obvious what post she is running for.

    There is similar (perhaps unforeseen) ambiguity with other posters on the north side, including with those posters erected on behalf of those running for a Council seat and the European elections.

    I think that this is going to add to the confusion, perhaps apathy too.

    It's probably of little interest to the rest of the island but there probably needs to be a televised debate to help inform the electorate of Limerick City and Co. Limerick.

    I imagine that we'll have some sort of explanatory Council literature dropped through our letter flaps in the meantime. I am out and about a lot and nobody seems to bring the mayoral election up in conversation so I am guessing that there is no real enthusiasm out there. I myself, am curious but not excited: more worried that the person elected will not be up to the task.

    Are we going to hear comments like "the campaign never really took off" and "the public were confused" in four weeks' time?

    At this rate, probably, yes.

    It's hearsay but I've been told that D Ryan (in addition to passing unflattering comments about her party leader in the not so distant past) passed some uncomplimentary remarks about Council staff in a café at the Crescent SC while she was on walkabout with her party leader.

    My source who works in the Council told me that she should have realised that mid-morning, there is a high probability that Council staff will be well within earshot at any of the cafe's in the SC as they have a large office building next door. Ah well!

    More hearsay from the same source but it would also appear that far-right individuals have been defacing SF posters in Moyross over the past two nights.

    I am not anti-democratic but I think that some sort of eligibility criteria should have been stipulated and I think that political parties should have been excluded from running candidates.

    As we all know, any narcissist can run for the Dáil or Stormont, get elected and pontificate without ever taking executive power but this job requires competence.

    As of now, out of the fourteen, I can only rate two positively!

    Feel free to comment critically!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No political parties is utterly stupid. How is anyone but the rich supposed to fund a campaign.

    I haven't seen many posters in Moyross never mind defaced ones. You had the right word with "hearsay" I reckon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I would think some posters are recycled from previous elections hence no mention of Mayor on them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Plus the sitting councillors are going in both the local and mayoral elections. They want to keep their council seats if the don't win the Mayoralty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭geotrig


    yeah some weird obsevations /hearsay there no political parties would be daft , but I do welcome having some stronger independent candidates that are interested even if they are somewhat politically alligned.

    Hadn't noticed many poster in Moyross either never mind defaced ones , and odd that a passing conversation gets picked up on an unfavorable comments ,how convenient, I reckon a bit of dirt politics at play maybe.

    What I have noticed is it leaves some candidates with an odd predicament on their posters as CM says, they don't want to lose there council seat ,but need to try and get a vote for mayor as well , to me none of them seem to have mastered that poster yet, from what I've seen.

    Haven't seen any posters for at least 2/3 candidates myself , northside, E'od and Ho'd and John Moran I'm sure they are about. Moran though has been noticable from an online /papers perspective at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    It seems Moran was quite early out of the blocks. Other candidates are becoming more visible in the last 2 weeks I find. It might have given him an early advantage but not sure if it will be enough in the longer term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12 whatdastory


    Seems der is a public debate at least. Just registered

    https://limerickchamber.ie/limerick-mayoral-debate/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This thought crossed my mind also. I'd think they would advertise the fact a bit more and make them look like environmentally friendly candidates though

    Still waiting for Count Binface or Lord Buckethead to announce their candidacy. This will be the most disappointing fact for me if they don't



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As nominations closed on Saturday, below is the list of candidates. I've added what I know about them running for council seats also. Should a candidate win the mayoral election, their council seat will become vacant, and their seat will be filled in the form of a co-option

    • Brian Leddin TD - Green Party
    • Gerben Uunk - Animal Welfare Party (also standing in Newcastle West)
    • Dee Ryan - Fianna Fail
    • Colm O’Morain - Independent
    • Helen O’Donnell - Independent
    • Maurice Quinlivan TD - Sinn Fein
    • Ruairi Fahy - People before Profit (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Cllr Elisa O’Donovan - Social Democrats (Also standing in Limerick City West)
    • Sarah Beasley - Aontu (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Cllr Frankie Daly - Independent (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Cllr Conor Sheehan - Labour (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Dr Laura Keyes - Rabharta Glass – Green Left (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Cllr Daniel Butler - Fine Gael (Also standing in Limerick City North)
    • Caitríona Ní Chatháin - Socialist Party
    • John Moran - Independent



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    It may have been with the knowledge and approval of the Johnstone family.



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭topcat72


    The brief interviews on RTE Six One last night ( Monday 20th) were interesting, but too short to get any real points across - Moran & Maurice Q came across well, Frankie Daly seemed very nervous. Rest perfomed okay I must say, can't help thinking most of them are still in ''I'm standing for Councillor'' mode ( as many of them confusingly are) rather than mayor, which is a whole other ballgame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The vast majority are only in it to raise personal profile or awareness of something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭topcat72


    Definitely. would expect general Election runs from all of the above next time round.



  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭VikingG


    https://www.rte.ie/news/upfront/2024/0513/1448873-join-the-upfront-audience-for-our-live-mayoral-debate-in-limerick/

    RTE hosting a debate between the candidates next Monday - seems to be some confusion as to who was invited and who will be there..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,938 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    John Moran is kicking up a stink because independents weren't invited to participate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    John Moran is spot on. This is typical RTE, they've made it a debate on party politics and not the issues that the mayor will have to face, this will no longer be an office that is passed around by those parties like a 50k bonus to self serving councillors. This is serious business. The person with the strongest CV (no guarantee that is enough to win the election admittedly) is being left out along with others, so we will end up with idiots up on stage many of whom you wouldn't put in charge of a classroom of kids….the only fair thing to do is to do one for independents. Of course, they won't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Impossible to officially say Moran is better than the other independents. As far as I'm aware there is no poll for RTE to go off.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    He does have the strongest CV. This role needs an independent, not another party hack, especially first time out. If it's impossible to say who is better fit than whom then the debate is yet another RTE debacle…who are RTE to decide who the frontrunners should be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We know he is better than the other independents but the impartial choice is all the candidates or the main party ones.

    Iat the debate tonight and there are 10 candidates so Limerick Post obviously a little braver than RTE.

    Post edited by breezy1985 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Pman


    Thanks for that list. Colm Moran is a name I hadn't heard before. I had to google him and found him on youtube. Has a lot of interesting things to say but he'll likely only get 3 votes. He's the best looking of them. If youth , height , good looks and intelligence was a condition of being mayor, he'd win hands down. I wonder is he related to the other Moran running??????

    As the rubberbandits used to say nawt geayyyy nawt gaeayyy



  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Pman


    Mr Moran is hardly independent under the skin. As a local Limerick lad, he was picked from obscurity from his restaurant in France by Fine Gael ( Michael Noonan, who I think was from Limerick). He did exactly what he was told to do and then they kicked him out after 18 months. He moved around alot. I'd say he'll take the Limerick job but will move upto Dublin for the Dublin Mayor next year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He may have a point but there are about 15 candidates, it's not possible to have a debate with all candidates getting time to speak and then debate.

    If you accept that then the question is how do you decide to include/exclude candidates, heretofore, RTE uses the votes collected by candidates at previous elections but of course the election of a DEM is new so there's nothing to look back at. Without knowing who RTE has selected for their debate, I'm assuming they're looking at candidates and on what votes they received in a council/Dail election.

    So non political candidates (at least people who didn't previously seek election) lose out here.

    In saying that I think RTE should have included Moran & Helen O'Donnell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I don't think it is easy to accommodate all the candidates. But this is RTE with a remit to be politically neutral (try not to laugh at that point) but this is blatant. They have excluded candidates that are most likely to be in the top 2 or 3 who are not party affiliated. That is plain wrong. We would actually be better off if RTE ignored this election.

    I felt starting off that RTE would pull some kind of stroke here, as they have form in that regard, I didn't think it would be this blatant mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32 Pman


    Just watched the first debate for Mayor candidates. awful rubbish. However…………

    Although I understand the excitement around John Moran and Helen O Donnell. I think that Frankie Daly might be the man we need. No disrespect to Frankie , but we've had enough of the shady , suited, and softly spoken snakes spinning us stories and dreams. We need small things done right and hassle the power structures ( like Frankie says he has done) He's young , his heart is in the right place and he'll fight and fight like hell.

    Moreover, a real leader speaks the language of his people and lives the way his people live.

    Post edited by Pman on


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Funny you posted that a few minutes after Frankie came off the stage 🤣

    Moran done very well I thought. Quinlivan the only other one who looked competent.

    O'Donnell wants to create a city designed by the people who never come to the city. Rural people and the middle aged middle class people who and say "I would come to the city but" even though they never will. Who think the city is dead cause you can't park outside every shop but will walk all over the Crescent or spend all day driving to Kildare village over walking for 5 minutes in town from a parking space.

    Really annoyed nobody challenged her on her claim Limerick is dangerous and filthy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Jose Maria


    Watching the Limerick post debate John Moran is head and shoulders above the rest of them, the man with a plan and a proper vision for the city



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Quinlivan and Daly offered little in terms of detailed proposals or ideas to improve Limerick but could both be the biggest vote catchers. Frankie has the kind of homespun folksiness that appeals to a certain cohort of voters who once would have voted Labour but dislike FF, FG and Sinn Fein.

    In the second half, Leddin stood head and shoulders above the rest.

    Post edited by chicorytip on


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