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Freely (free UK IPTV service from BBC/ITV/C4/C5)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    dvb.org article - It comes down to DVB-I versus HbbTV OpApp, right? Wrong!

    Freely will use HbbTV for its IPTV offering while DVB-I appears to be the standard of choice for European broadcasters. RTÉ did a DVB-I proof of concept trial last year.

    https://dvb.org/news/it-comes-down-to-dvb-i-versus-hbbtv-opapp-right-wrong/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭decor58


    Sounds like so many of the conversations in the past, early adapters and the consequence of jumping first. Remembering Beta v VHS, how do the choices affect the likes of Netflix, Amazon, YouTube being built into the service versus stand alone apps on tvs,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    I'm concerned from an Irish viewer here that we may lose BBC,ITV,CH4 and CH5 if they are only going to be available on a streaming platform in the future.We can't access ITVX or the BBC iPlayer here and i'd say the same will happen with Freely!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    It'll be the same for Freely, geo-blocked. The eventual end of overspill. But that could be a decade away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭decor58


    IF there is a potential plus to this, albeit a long way off, some of the channels that are currently available fta in Ireland may choose to avail of a fta current or future platform in this country when satellite availability is no longer an option. How many of the channels currently available have Irish advertising, it may not justify an Irish channel but it could open up the possibility for other broadcasters, as happened with TV3 originally. All hypothetical but not improbable.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    This comes up from time to time.

    We were never meant to have free access to the BBC or ITV. Freesat happened as a happy consequence of the BBC (followed by others) wanting out of paying Sky for encryption services. Once that occurred Freesat became a possiblity, but it wasn’t the original aim of going free to air.

    The BBC cannot be seen to spend UK license fee payers money being available outside the UK. As a matter of policy BBC Studios is only allowed to offer the UK domestic channels to cable companies in countries that could recieve the BBC during the analogue era from terrestrial overspill - Ireland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. (They are available also in Switzerland for reasons the BBC can do nothing about and have to live with while satellite transmission lasts).

    Once satellite goes - at least five years down the road - the BBC will still be available here the same way it was before Freesat existed - through cable TV providers, or their linear streaming successors, Sky, VM, Vodafone, and eir.

    ITV is a different kettle of fish, it has sold its content to VMTV, there is a formal relationship there and while that lasts ITV1 & 2 will not be available on any Irish platform.


    There’s a separate debate to be had as to how long linear TV itself will last, but I think it’s going nowhere anytime soon and will last longer than a lot of people think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭decor58


    According to Broadcast Tv news and Digitaltv Europe, Freely has launched today, interesting to see what the take up figures are like, given the limited options available at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,947 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    The takeup will be pretty much zero during the early months. I mean, who is going to rush out and buy a new Hisense TV for this? Absolutely nobody.

    Needs to be more widely available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭decor58


    Various reports say that no Hisence tv's have arrived in the shops yet and the Vestel brands are still a few months away, the soft launch of all soft launches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭baz9375


    It'll be very interesting to see if RTE/TG4 is carried on the Freely Platform in Northern Ireland. It's on Freeview and Sky/Sky Stream.

    I've emailed and chatted online with Freely this morning to ask but they can't give me an answer! they say that channels available for each area hasn't been finalised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,947 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Channel 54, 55 & 56…



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭baz9375


    Cheers

    Are these channels delivered through IPTV or is it through aerial? I believe that OTA channels from aerial are added to the EPG.

    Just wonder if the RTE channels will be delivered over the internet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭baz9375


    Response from Hisense on which TVs will be compatible

    "Freely will only be available in new models A6N/E7N/A7N/E7N PRO/U7N/U8N."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭decor58


    Interesting that they say "will be", not available yet. Many of the launch reports say "a first " was that what the rush is about,pity if no one can use it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The freely TV guide can be seen here

    https://www.freely.co.uk/tv-guide?userNid=65017

    Region is set by postcode



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    That surely is all the channels on Freeview, rather than just the Freely channels? All the reports have said it’s just the main UK PSBs at first?

    Certainly seems to contradict the table provided elsewhere on the website:

    https://www.freely.co.uk/help/faqs/channel-list



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,947 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    It appears that they, like many others, are OTA channels only - which is a shame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭Grey123


    If a new TV is needed for this it will surly take years to implement? How long to people get from a TV 7-10 years for a main TV with much older TVs in the house? And its not even fully rolling out soon all TVs yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    This is probably the long term replacement for terrestrial broadcasting so it can have a long run in.

    As things stand now terrestrial broadcasting has at least another 10 years in it. The 2031 WRC will decide the future of broadcast spectrum.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Zackary Fluffy Toupee


    I've a feeling TV via an aerial will outlast TV from a dish (Astra 28.2E that is). Depends of course whether Astra has plans to replace those satellites or not. When do they have to make a decision on this I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    What's the expected life of the satellites currently at 28.2E, could they be around longer than Sky's service?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,221 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I doubt it, RTE can broadcast to the extra ~2m people living in the 6 counties but their rights to various TV programmes won't allow them to broadcast to Scotland, England or Wales.

    If you can pick up RTE on freely just by changing the postcode then RTE would be in breach of many contracts.

    The only thing they could potentially do is allow streaming of the Irish channels dependant on IP address. But do IP addresses differ in NI vs the mainland and does this fly in the face of the ease that freely is meant for?



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭baz9375


    NI IP addresses show as NI located so Freely could have RTE based on that.

    I know full RTE player catalogue is available in NI and not the limited version available in GB

    see attached for IP shown for Sky Broadband in Enniskillen




  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    If RTE can identify NI IP addresses distinctly from GB ones surely Freely can also do so? Mind you the numbers currently watching on Freely in NI are probably pretty small, given you need to buy a whole new TV to get it, so it’s probably not a priority for either RTE or Freely.



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