The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Nope Kerry have been getting a shameful leg up for over a Century , they need to be split , look at the shameful attendance of Kerry supporters , they only support there County in big numbers for the final , but its not your fault or anyone affiliated with the GAA in Kerry, so please don't feel ashamed , even if you cannot take pride in the scandalously advantaged 84 Munster titles and 38 All Irelands ,but we do need to deal with the issue , unfortunately Kerry supporters can't truly enjoy the success as we all know it has not come fairly. For the sake of the GAA in Kerry Its simply dangerous to the GAA to not split Kerry

Again, both of you, you're just focusing on outcomes. What's more important is the inputs into those outcomes. In Dublin's case, the inputs a unique combination of unfair advantages in population, funding and playing at home. That's why neutrals want Dublin to be split, not just because they are winning, but because they are doing so from an unfairly advantaged position. There is no animosity towards Dublin, just a desire to rectify the current unfairness and help the GAA in all counties.

You seem to just repeat statements almost verbatim but substitute in Kerry for Dublin. It's quite strange tbh. And doesn't make for a great discussion either!

Maybe the rest of Leinster will stop asking to play in Croker and let the Dubs travel! At this stage attendances are in danger of dropping to Munster championship levels (ok probably not quite that bad yet)

would work fine for Dublin, and remove one of the “advantages” that keep being held up. We might even get Parnell park redeveloped and hold some Leinster football games in our actual home stadium. 25-30k capacity expansion should do it. Of course given the lack of large capacity stadiums in Leinster we should probably do the same for 2 or 3 other stadia in the province

Nope Dublin is and will remain one County .

You seem to just repeat the same old nonsense for the last 12 years , its quite sad tbh, and defo doesn't make for a great discussion that's for sure !

Every time someone rolls out the whole 'Split Dublin' debate, I ask why? Who'll benefit.

Ok Dublin 1 might compete vs Dublin 2 - or Kerry or Tyrone but if you think splitting Dublin suddenly means Meath or Kildare - or Laois, Louth any other Leinster suddenly have a chance in the All Ireland, you'd be mad. You could have Dublin split in 8 and Wicklow would struggle to win Leinster.

So If it's suddenly on the table to split Dublin - why not combine counties. Carlow will never win Leinster, but a Carlow, Wexford, Wicklow, Kilkenny team might unearth a great, balanced team. Throw Offaly, Laois, Longford together. Unite the Meaths!!!! Or Meath and Louth, Kildare Westmeath.

Similarly in football, Tipp and Waterford vs Clare Limerick. Sligo Leitrim? Antrim and Down?

If its ok to split Dublin, then its ok to combine. If people are going to say Dublin's dominance means poor Carlow will never win, they can't seriously think that a split Dublin sees Carlow suddenly a powerhouse - especially if its related to population. That just makes combined teams more logical.

It goes against every grain of pride in the county, every bit of tradition the GAA has built up, but sure if its ok to tear all that up just to split Dublin, then Unite the Meaths I say.

This is an easy one to answer- everyone will benefit. Every single county that takes part in the All-Ireland competition, from Leitrim right up to Dublin, benefits from a split in Dublin. The benefits may differ a little from one county to the next, but there are real and clear benefits to all counties.

This is because Dublin competing off their combination of unfair advantages (population, funding, playing at home etc.) is doing terrible damage to the prestige, integrity and fairness of Gaelic Games competitions. By splitting them, dispersing their advantages across multiple teams, rather than one, the impact of these advantages is significantly reduced, and so by extension is the unfairness. This will increase participation and interest. All teams will benefit from playing in much fairer competitions- including Dublin.

Not splitting Dublin will have the opposite effect. The existing unfairness will continue to damage the competitions, and all counties competing in them. Interest, participation and attendances will continue to whither. Dublin cannot take any pride in their successes as it is obvious they have come unfairly. This is just a small number of the risks and problems that come from not splitting Dublin.

Absolutely voluntary amalgamations should be offered. But Dublin should be split on a mandatory basis, whether Dublin supporters want it or not (and this thread has indicated there would be a lot of opposition within Dublin, despite the clear benefits both to Dublin and beyond), due to the massive damage to the game that comes from keeping Dublin as a single entity. And this split would be for the good of the game.

Again every single County from Waterford right up to Kerry , benefits from a Kerry split , this is because Kerry competing off there combination of unfair advantages ,playing in a hurling province ,funding etc, has helped them win a ridiculous 84 Munster titles and 38 All Ireland titles .

Not splitting Kerry will lead to the unfairness to continue and further damage the competitions , and all Counties competing in them. Kerry can't take pride in there successes as its blatantly obvious they have come unfairly.

Amalgamations should definitely be looked at , but a Kerry split needs to be on a mandatory basis whether Kerry supporters want it or not . Lets stop this over a century of damage keeping Kerry as a single entity , and for the good of the game split Kerry now .

Maybe not ,im happy to keep debating the reasons for Kerry's domination and unfair advantages funding , playing in a hurling province for over a century etc ,to counter the anti Dublin nonsense you have been posting for over 12 years .

If you don't like my posting please use the ignore button

Its plain for everyone to see what your about , you hide behind your keyboard pretending you are neutral for the guts of 12 years , when surprise surprise its discovered you are from Kerry. You want Dublin split to help your beloved Kerry get back to the top. Like you i want players from Kerry to compete fairly for the All-IRELAND, unlike at present , so they and there supporters take some real pride in any Victories . Don't forget there is an ignore button 😁

I'm beginning to see the difference in mindsets here. You're partisan and only want what you think is best for Dublin (whether it is actually what is best or not is another matter, but let's leave that aside for now). You think everyone else does the same. You approach problems facing the GAA via that angle.

Whereas I and others want what is best for the game as a whole. It's not about ensuring one county wins the All-Ireland. So while I can't speak for RoyalCelt, I can say that what I want is a level playing field- I don't mind who wins, as long as it is a fair competition, unlike at present. That's my ambition- increased prestige, integrity and fairness in Gaelic Games and equitable competitions for all, not just Dublin alone being uniquely unfairly advantaged.

So to answer your questions, the main thing to do to improve the All-Ireland outside of Leinster is to split Dublin as the unfairness they benefit from is harming all parts of the competition. There can be other reforms- pooling funding, voluntary amalgamations, abolishing provincials etc. But splitting Dublin has to be the first step and is easily the most important one.

There is nothing unfair in the All Ireland. Dublin have been going through a bit of a golden spell recently, but the vast majority of their wins in the last rounds have been in incredibly tight, very competitively fought games.

Dublin have not been 'dominant' in an All Ireland sense. Provincially they have, but so have Kerry, Connaught has 3 teams that will compete with each other on their day, and Ulster is just epic. In fact Ulster is the outlier in terms of competitiveness, and no amount of messing with Dublin, Kerry or Mayo will change that.

Leinster have to sort out their own mess. Start getting funding out of Dublin and into other counties. At a provincial level look at what Dublin have behind the scenes and put it in place in the other counties. Splitting Dublin will just lead to a period of Kerry dominance - as suddenly 2 Dublin teams batter each other in Leinster, Mayo, Galway and Roscommon take lumps from each other, and Ulster as is normal, turn into the Battle of the Somme with only a wounded victor emerging.

Dublin and Kerry currently benefit immensely from this set up, as they can cruise through provinicials. Spiltting Dublin, just lets Kerry gain an extra advantage.

And it's a lazy response. Hobble the winners, as opposed to boost and improve the competition. A split Dublin does not benefit others in any meaningful way. Syphoning investment away from Dublin, and Kerry, and Mayo (and Limerick in hurling) to rase others does. Put in the personal trainers, nutritionists, facilities. Give the provincial councils more power to distribute this, rather than each county competing with 'glamour' counties like Dublin and Kerry rake in sponsorship etc.

Weve been through all that.

Dublin is not going to split, end of. You can call for it to be split, it wont be so its a redundant debate. If you want to continue making a redundant argument for something that will never happen, then so be it. You might as well call for the wind to stop blowing.

The Leinster Championship is clearly broken - the cleanest thing here in my view is for Dublin to be taken out of it and given a pass into the all Ireland QF stage or whatever.

It would give other Leinster teams something to play for, and would put the Leinster championship on a level playing field with the other provincials.

Have a read of my response, I refuted it easily and effectively.