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Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

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  • #1172
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040002#Comment_122040002

    Or maybe you don't give days of warning about an attack if you do want it to cause serious damage....

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  • #1173
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040002#Comment_122040002

    They could have known they wouldn't be effective, but done it to show they actually took action against Israel. Like wise with the Israeli strikes, the coverage doesn't seem to indicate any great damage. It's almost like hand bags at dawn as both sides know what will happen next.



  • #1174
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Does anyone find it ironic all the praise and wowsers Isreal get for their downing of the Iran swarm of weapons, how the iron dome is wonderful yet on October 7th carnage was unleashed



  • #1175
    Wolf359f
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040543#Comment_122040543

    Iran seemed surprised and upset Jordan shot down their drones. I'm sure next people will be saying they had no explosives on board or they were all programme for 100% military sites well out of the way of any civilian collateral damage etc…

    Countries do give advanced warnings of attacks, not to help their enemies defend, but to warn civilians.

    Didn't the US give Iraq a 48hr advance warning etc…

    I've no clue about the Israeli attack, if it even was an attack. Seems like it was a nothing burger and thankfully Iran didn't attacks back. Maybe Israel was baiting them?



  • #1176
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040840#Comment_122040840

    huh?



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  • #1177
    TheValeyard
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    Israel might be at it again

    https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1781442320161779751

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #1178
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,676 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040995#Comment_122040995

    I do think it's an overplayed term, particularly when criticising Israel for their actions in relation to Gaza. But I also think there's a genuine level of antisemitism in Ireland that we seem to refuse to come to terms with.



  • #1179
    Strumms
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041139#Comment_122041139

    but antisemitism is a prejudice against or hatred of Jewish people.

    Not a dislike of Israel or criticism of them either unfair or fair.

    I can’t ever in life recall experiencing a person first hand who was prejudiced against or hated Jewish people.



  • #1180
    Wolf359f
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041139#Comment_122041139

    Overplayed….. the antisemitism card should never be played in the first place when talking about criticism of Israel. It just shows how ridiculous or ill informed people are on what antisemitism is. It's now become the go to phrase to shut down criticism of a country or more importantly a government.



  • #1181
    Eibhir
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041154#Comment_122041154

    Agreed.

    I couldn't care less whether the Israeli population were Muslim, Jain, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu etc. It's the actions of that state.

    The 'oh your attacking the only Jewish state on earth' card has been well overplayed since the 1940s.



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  • #1182
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041365#Comment_122041365

    The anti semitic "card" has been "well overplayed" since it's very existence? Yeah that's totally not just having a problem with a Jewish state lol.



  • #1183
    machiavellianme
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041611#Comment_122041611

    Huh? Jewish state?

    Israel's population is only 73% Jewish. Having a problem with the Israeli state, based on their actions, is also having a problem with the 21% Arabs (mostly Muslim) and 6% Christian and others who also live there.

    Antisemitism on the other hand is having a problem with the 8M or so Jews worldwide, just because of their religion.

    The two are not interchangeable.

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  • #1184
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041772#Comment_122041772

    The Israeli government shouting "antisemitism" at every turn, is wrong.

    Having problems with the Israeli state is just that - having problems with the Israeli state.

    Terms like 'antisemitic card' are objectionable. Only someone with antisemitic leanings would use it. It's like saying, "I'm not prejudiced, I have some black friends." Likewise, "well overplayed" has an implication that's antisemitic, too.

    As is trying to use 'Zionist' as a pejorative. It's like using "Catholic" as a pejorative. Zionism is a fundamental tenet of Judaism, they're intertwined. But, it's stylish these days to say, "anyone that supports the Israeli government is a Zionist and Zionism bad."

    Trying to shout down all uses of antisemitism as invalid is… antisemitic. There are plenty of examples of it, even on this small, mostly Irish web site. It's a thing. And as is widely reported, there is a rise in antisemitic incidents worldwide.

    edit: typo

    Post edited by Igotadose on


  • #1185
    Potatoeman
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    If antisemitism is over used then Islamophobia is certainly overused as you can’t point out the link between the religion and terror attacks as it pretty much the only religion with this problem.

    Post edited by Potatoeman on


  • #1186
    nacho libre
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    I was sent a video of a religious Jewish boy weightlifting on Instagram that was full of anti semitic comments- some were from Irish people too. I am not a defender of Israel as should be apparent by now, but that stuff was hard to read. I know there are some posters that try to equate any criticism of Israel as anti semitic to deflect criticism of Israeli Government policies, but at the same time there is a lot of anti semitism about if that video is anything to go by.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • #1187
    tayto lover
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    There's something very odd going on with the drone attack on Iran. It might not have been Israel at all from reading this report from RTE -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0420/1444642-middle-east/

    Iran's foreign minister has said the Iranian government is investigating an overnight attack yesterday on Iran, adding that so far a link to Israel had not been proven as he downplayed the strike.

    Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told NBC News that the drones took off from inside Iran and flew for a few hundred metres before being downed.

    "They're ... more like toys that our children play with, not drones," Mr Amirabdollahian said.



  • #1188
    nacho libre
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122040862#Comment_122040862

    I had the same reaction when I heard of a rabbi, who doesn't think the state of Israel should exist, was living in Tel Aviv.



  • #1189
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042087#Comment_122042087

    So it could have been mossad operatives inside Iran. Iran is desperate to move on. It wouldn't surprise me if the the Americans and Iran are downplaying what happened in order to facilitate this. It would be interesting to hear what is being said in private.



  • #1190
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042087#Comment_122042087

    Definitely something not right about it at all tbh. The media played it like a major attack for hrs after the initial report. Who fed them that info?



  • #1191
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042337#Comment_122042337

    And then we had Ben Gvir more or less calling it a powder-puff. I'd say the US knows all about it.



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  • #1192
    freebritney
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    Israel is a made up settler colony which is a canker sore in the Middle East. Does anyone ever wonder how a small nation of less than 7 million can afford nuclear weapons? All the other nations with nuclear arms are G10 countries with huge economies.



  • #1193
    Eibhir
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041611#Comment_122041611

    As I said. It's nothing got to do with the religion of the people. It's the action of the state, and thecry of antisemitism has been grossly over used as a get out of jail free card.



  • #1194
    brickster69
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    Israel still keeping quiet about the attacks on Iran.

    https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1781557230195626494

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • #1195
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043036#Comment_122043036

    Jeez that's the sort of article I'd expect to see in the Jerusalem Post not Haaretz. So Bibi poll numbers are going back up because he listened to the Americans. It could also be that he held off on a major strike to try and get US approval for going into Rafah.



  • #1196
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122042529#Comment_122042529

    If you identify murderers as murderers in here you are automatically antisemitic.



  • #1197
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043207#Comment_122043207

    Funny, I don't recall allegations of antisemitism here towards those who point out Israel's committing a genocide.

    Allegations of antisemitism for antisemitic statements ("Jews run the media/Jews run Wall Street/Congressmen have Israeli passports/…") sure, they're deserved.

    "As for most Irish people not knowing Jews, I work with a secular Jew who is appalled with what's happening in Gazza."

    Rightly so. Who was it claimed Irish people not knowing Jews again?



  • #1198
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043633#Comment_122043633

    Each of those companies are run by a BOT that makes its decisions. The BOT are responsible to stockholders, who are the company's owners.

    Are the BOTs also, run by Jewish people? Are the employees/brokers/etc. disproportionately Jewish people? Seems like your example, Goldman Sachs, has a very nicely varied BOT: https://www.goldmansachs.com/about-us/people-and-leadership/leadership/board-of-directors/

    FWIW, Goldman Sachs started in 1869. I don't think there are any original founders left. Goldman Sachs hired Jewish people then because they were excluded from other firms like JP Morgan.

    .

    I'd like @gym_imposter to answer my questions. Surely it can summarize its thoughts.



  • #1199
    gym_imposter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043479#Comment_122043479

    You want proof that a hugely disproportionate number of Jews work in the entertainment industry, journalism and finance ?



  • #1200
    gym_imposter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043684#Comment_122043684

    You want acknowledgement of stuff that the dogs in the street know to be true , classed as bigotry.

    It's absurd and as such the anti semetism label is laughable, pointing out that Jews are hugely involved in finance, media and entertainment is no different to highlighting that African Americans are hugely prevalent in NBA



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  • #1201
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043798#Comment_122043798

    So, you're saying that Jewish people are 'disproportionately' involved in finance, entertainment, etc. Define disproportionately - what's the Jewish population of the US, and how many are involved in the industries you mention?

    What percentage of the employees in these industries are Christian? Atheist? Muslim?

    Because a CEO, or a dozen CEO's, with Jewish surnames really means nothing - maybe Jewish people succeed in these fields because of their own efforts, but these companies/industries have hundreds of thousands of employees.



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