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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • #34082
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029059#Comment_122029059

    Hopefully she doesn't follow Bill's career trajectory.



  • #34083
    Stanley 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122028563#Comment_122028563

    Just seen elsewhere, you are correct 12 + 6.



  • #34084
    Jasper Mango Locust
    Posts: 92 ✭✭ Jasper Mango Locust


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029114#Comment_122029114

    What are the total numbers of MAGA would you say?

    It's hard to imagine that he would even still be in the running, never mind polling as favourite, if he mostly just had MAGA support? Surely his appeal is much wider than this right now?

    My experience of watching US elections over the years, is that the average American does not like weakness in their leaders. Whatever you want to say about Trump and his failings, he does come across as being far more self confident and strong than Biden, who is looking frail and weak by comparison.

    These might be superficial things on the face of it, but I think the average voter in America can be somewhat superficial in their voting preferences. It's very hard for the dems to make Biden look strong and assertive at this point, as his public image is kind of ruined with all the gaffs and blooper reels out there in social media land…



  • #34085
    randomuser02125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029247#Comment_122029247

    Ha ha ha. Self confident and strong? Oh my sides. Only in the mind of Trumpanzees. If you can't see that Tiny is a weak, weak man who can't take an ounce of criticism I simply don't know what to say. The story below is truer today than it ever was.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/donald-trump-the-most-unmanly-president/612031/

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #34086
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029247#Comment_122029247

    As a % of the overall voter base , the hard core MAGA's are probably 10-15% overall but they are 40%+ of the GOP base.

    That gives them an outsized influence in the process of choosing who gets to run for election so all the GOP reps are terrified of them as if you get on their wrong side you get primaried and lose out.

    The US electorate is probably split something like 40:40:20 in terms of GOP, Democrat and Independent voters so to win a National election you need to get all your sides vote plus more than half of the Independents.

    That is Trump and the GOPs problem , the MAGA's have demanded more and more extreme positions to ensure their support in the GOP Primaries but those positions make it harder and harder to win over the Independents that are needed to actually win the election.

    Trump is doubling down on those positions basically working on the premise and hope that he gets 100% turn-out from his zealots and that Independents and a chunk of Democrats don't bother to vote due to apathy with Biden and the general state of things, because he is certainly doing absolutely nothing to convince them to vote for him and not Biden.

    That's why stuff like Abortion is such a problem for him as it offsets that potential apathy and makes it more likely those voters turn up and vote..

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • #34087
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122028789#Comment_122028789

    Juror No. 1 - the Irish guy - gets his news from … the Daily Mail.

    American justice is fecked!



  • #34088
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,023 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029296#Comment_122029296

    The previous users question is still valid though, despite what you saying about Trump being true.

    Clearly Trump has support outside MAGA. Ignoring 3rd party candidates, and Don't Knows, and also ignoring states which don't matter electorally like California, Texas or NY, Donald Trump is polling at >50%, including in many of the crucial swing states where the election will be decided, so it is beyond his core MAGA vote.

    So logically that is something to do with what Trump is bringing to the table or what Biden is (failing to) bring to the table.

    I, and most of us, don't want it to be true, but clearly it is.



  • #34089
    randomuser02125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭randomuser02125


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029349#Comment_122029349

    The poster declared Tiny as coming across as the stronger man. That is laughably incorrect to anyone neutral. Just ask the UN audience who laughed at him.

    A sizeable percentage of Tiny's voters talk about Ukrainian Nazis, Democrats aborting babies at 39 weeks etc etc etc. So yes, there is a perception problem in how the 2 of them are viewed but it's not grounded in anything close to reality. I don't know how the Biden campaign overcome the poisoning of the American mind by the Bannons and Millers, I just hope they do. It's definitely going to involve women's rights.



  • #34090
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,135 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122028960#Comment_122028960

    And you just know he would pronounce "ye" with a Y instead of a Th.



  • #34091
    Alibaba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122029041#Comment_122029041

    Exactly , I couldn't have put it better 😁



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  • #34092
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030168#Comment_122030168

    Think you have a promising future in the Ennis Politburo comrade.

    On the DJT front, will they manage to get a jury selected by the end of the week?



  • #34093
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030188#Comment_122030188

    For the Jury , they had burned through 50+ people to get the 7 they have and I think I saw that there were only 35 people left in the 1st Jury pool - I can't see them getting the additional 5 plus the 6 alternates from that group.

    Not sure what happens when they run out of bodies - Assume they have another block of people in line , but there might be a delay getting them onsite for the selection process.



  • #34094
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030459#Comment_122030459

    Thanks for the break down. Perhaps the end of the month is more realistic.



  • #34095
    TinyMuffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    someone from Ireland made it onto the jury.

    This is all Melanias fault anyway. The Donald had to go elsewhere to get his hole.

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  • #34096
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump annoyed that they can't just strike whoever they want from the jury.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hush-money-trial-live-updates_n_6619742ee4b084e936f11ad0/liveblog_661fd079e4b0d6337658551f

    Writing on Truth Social Wednesday, the former president complained that his team “only” has 10 preemptory strikes to use during jury selection, when he thought he would have as many as he liked.

    “I thought STRIKES were supposed to be 'unlimited' when we were picking our jury? I was then told we only had 10, not nearly enough when we were purposely given the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country," Trump wrote. "Don’t worry, we have the First Worst also, as the Witch Hunt continues! ELECTION INTERFERENCE!”

    While each side can object as much as they like, in theory, to a juror’s ability to be fair and impartial in the case and allow the judge to make the final call, they only have a set number of passes to wield without having to explain themselves. The prosecution team also has 10 preemptory strikes, and the same rules apply. If the attorneys were allowed unlimited strikes, jury selection might never end.

    Apparently not being able to choose your own jury is election interference now.



  • #34097
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,520 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030575#Comment_122030575

    If strikes were unlimited, there would be cases from Washington's time going on, still at the jury selection phase.



  • #34098
    Fathom
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,517 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    The criminal hush money trial will consume 4 days per week for Trump. 7 jury members selected so far. Like his 3 earlier civil trials, which he lost, Trump is gagged so that he shall not use social media to threaten them or their families, or have his followers do so by proxy.

    Perhaps by Monday or Tuesday the 12 member jury will have been selected, plus 6 alternates? It appears that Team Trump has exhausted all attempts to stall this criminal trial after 8 or more attempts?

    Of course there is the filing for a day off for his son’s graduation 17 May, but the judge has not officially ruled on this pending trial progress.

    Hopefully bias stealth jury members are discovered and eliminated before selection has been completed. It only takes one of 12 to hang a jury for a mistrial in criminal court, unlike Trump’s earlier 3 civil trials.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • #34099
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030635#Comment_122030635

    I'm sure from Trump's point of view, he should have unlimited strikes, but the prosecutors shouldn't have any strikes, because the prosecutors being allowed to strike out jurors is election interference. So Trump would just have to wait until they found at least 7 MAGA-jurors.

    Also forcing Trump to be at the trial every day is election interference. Not giving him the day off to go to Barron's graduation (which he likely wouldn't have gone to anyway because it's not about him) is election interference. Having to go through security to get into the courtroom is probably election interference. Journalists reporting that he looked like he fell asleep is election interference. Basically, absolutely everything in the world ever is election interference.

    Y'know, apart from what happened on Jan 6th, which was just a few people walking through the Capitol. That was completely innocent and fine and definitely not election interference by people trying to interfere with the certification of the election.



  • #34100
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030459#Comment_122030459

    Think they had several hundred in reserve, but just dragged the first 96 in for the initial selection. Probably not an unusual number to drag into the court each week assuming there might be a couple of jury trials going on at the same time normally that would give them plenty to pick from for most cases... Just it being Trump they have more in the backup list.



  • #34101
    Fathom
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,517 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030459#Comment_122030459

    There are approximately 1,694,250 citizens in Manhattan, NY. Less than half may be eligible to be called for jury duty. I would guess that there are over a half million that could be drawn from.

    One of the potential jury members, who had been eliminated, was interviewed by CNN. She said that she did not know which trial she was being called for until she entered the Trump courtroom. There are other trials with jury selection needs ongoing. This suggests that the jury pools may be larger than reported by the media? And that for jury secrecy needs for the gag order Trump criminal trial, there may be more potential jurors to pull from than the 500 pool reported by the news media?

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



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  • #34102
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030459#Comment_122030459

    Unlikely to be any delay. I've gone through the process in both California and Texas, it's a bit different, but the end result is more or less the same. Bearing in mind that folks need to arrange time off work, childcare, etc, potential jurors get notified many weeks in advance (and they also get the option to defer once or twice). This means that the courthouses generally have to anticipate juror requirements on an average basis, and also tend to over-request jurors to make sure they have enough.

    In California's case (Specifically Alameda County), I would show up to the courthouse and be put into a consolidated juror pool. One of the courts would send a message down saying "We need X many potential jurors" and numbers would be called to go to the court for juror selection. Eventually all the courts would say "we've enough for today, thanks", and anyone left in the consolidated pool would be sent home (and they are safe from future call-ups by the same jurisdiction for X many years….). I made it into a courtroom once, I ended up getting sent home from the consolidated pool twice.

    In my Texas experience (Specifically Bexar county), we would have to call or check a website the night before reporting in, and then report directly to the specific courtroom. In this case, there is no consolidated jury pool physically in the building, instead the courtrooms themselves simply get a lot more jurors than they are likely to need for that particular day's proceedings. Jurors who are not needed are sent home once it is determined that they are not needed (Note, only if they are not needed. If the court just didn't get around to them yet, they come back the next day), and are safe from future call-ups by the same jurisdiction for X many years. I've only been called up once, they got barely a third the way through the pool before the rest of us were sent home.

    Whichever method NY uses, it's presumably going to be some variation on one of the above, and either way, I don't think the wheels of justice are going to be held up by a lack of jurors awaiting the selection process.



  • #34103
    Detritus70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Interesting to see the stock is creeping up again, went from around 23 to almost 28.

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



  • #34104
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122031542#Comment_122031542

    Probably some poor deluded MAGA clowns out there spending their last dimes on propping up Donny's stock. People are going to end up losing their shirts on that.



  • #34105
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1780605568262029641

    Fact check - ✅

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #34106
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,096 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122031881#Comment_122031881

    Just read the headline. The rest of that screed is a fox opinion piece.



  • #34107
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Penn: you said: Also forcing Trump to be at the trial every day is election interference. Not giving him the day off to go to Barron's graduation (which he likely wouldn't have gone to anyway because it's not about him) is election interference.

    I think that defendants are normally compelled to attend their trials. Also, the judge has not forbidden attandance at Barron's graduation. This has been misinterpreted (or rather lied about) on Fox, but called out, among other places, by CNN.

    Normally we don't have election interference of the type you allege, because notmally we have nothin remotely like the behahuour of TFG.



  • #34108
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030804#Comment_122030804

    I’ve twice made it to the court room. Once, asked voir dire questions to assert if I could be impartial to a car crash case and then dismissed (I have a direct relative who was involved in a wreck before), secondly I was sworn in as an alternate grand juror but never called upon after that swearing in.



  • #34109
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122032006#Comment_122032006

    I know, I was making the point that Trump calls every decision which goes against him, even if it's a long-standing law which applies to everyone, "election interference".



  • #34110
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭flutered


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122030691#Comment_122030691

    i have read elsewhere that the court will not be sitting for barrons graduation



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  • #34111
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Of the other three main cases against Trump - the Georgia election subversion charges, the classified documents charges and the federal election subversion charges, which one will make it to trial first, and which will start and conclude before the election is due to take place? I'm guessing the Georgia one since its main impediment is the ongoing questioning of DA Fani Willis. Might the Florida documents case also get there even with Cannon's slowness to rule? Is the federal election charge likely to be the last to get to trial?



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