EU Study finds ICE vehicles consume 20% more fuel than advertised

This lack of self awareness: "At the moment it just reads like angry privileged little men going blue in the face."

You're so triggered by a thread that's mostly in jest, you just had to come in here and unburden yourself. Hope it worked out for you.

I haven't an ev but am on my 3 Rd hybrid

Previous 2 were v frugal to be fair once driven easy,

First one got 61/2 mpg ( Honda insight 2010)

Second one another insight -53 plus MPG

Latest Suzuki ignis import hybrid not near as efficient at all,

Reckon a diesel would do as good probably better,

Heading back to another Honda( 2012) as soon as my sin passes his test,he's getting little ignis

Beauty about imported jap hybrids I found is reliability,low mileage, higher spec,and generally frugal

While the manufacturers claimed consumption is always going to vairy to that of the end users experience I think the accuracy of testing varies a lot based on the manufacturer. My experience is mainly limited to to Toyotas, Ford and VAG cars I would do mainly city driving in the smaller cars and long distance journeys in the larger ones.

1.4Ltr D4D Yaris as advertised.

1.5Ltr Hybrid Yaris better than advertised

1Ltr TSI Polo as advertised.

1.6Ltr FSI Golf much worse than advertised.

1.5Ltr TSI Fabia slightly worse than advertised.

1.4Ltr D4D Corolla as advertised.

2.0Ltr TDI Yeti as advertised.

2.0Ltr TDI Kodiaq slightly worse than advertised.

2.0Ltr TDDI Mondeo slightly worse than advertised.

EV ID4 worse than advertised (out of all the cars I've had this was the most disappointing from all aspects)

2.5Ltr Plug In Hybrid Rav-4 as advertised (this is by far my favorite car, its fast by SUV standards, has 4WD, nice finish inside it, can do about 70km on EV mode and has a petrol engine for when I need to travel further).

Id love something like that but way out of my league financially

Did U move to another hybrid?

Tbank you, great information,

At an age that I'm hopefully winding down ref my decorating days,but still need a car that'll give me decent MPG

Yaris hybrid you mentioned 2.5 ltr hybrid might be one to look at in a few years

Do people not realize that an EV not reaching its advertised range is a MUCH bigger problem than an ICE car not reaching its range?

The Yaris is a 1.5Ltr Hybrid, the Rav 4 is the 2.5 Ltr PHEV, there is a newer version of the Yaris that is more economical than the one we have. The Yaris is a great city car but not ideal for long journeys, we are looking at the Yaris cross as a second car the next time round as its a bit bigger and higher up. An EV is going to be cheaper to run but the hybrid is a lot more convenient.

Absolutely. Rolling into a fossil fuel station after 10pm and finding it closed. Big problem. Thank God charging points are more accessible.

please don't go phev.

I find it funny that the real emissions on the phev are better or on a par with the petrol or diesel cars wltp , I would like to see the results with the latest crop of 18 kwh+ phevs, anyway it could be skewed by BIK drivers, cheaper to drive than to actually use properly.

Good then it's not an EV owners job to convince anyone of the merits or otherwise of owning an EV.

The same metric doesn't apply to both.

Especially in the lower price range where you can get an ICE car for <5k that will have a range of 700-800 Kms.

Obviously range is not an issue there.

You can buy an EV for<5k too that will knock the socks off the ICE for running costs but won't have the range.

Matter of choice.

In the graph you referenced the WLTP figure for PHEVs is probably more accurate than the real world figures listed if the PHEV was used as designed. A lot of data in this report was collected using fleet vehicles, when somebody else is paying for the fuel you tend not to be as worried about consumption plus its more difficult to expense home charging.

"This confirms that these vehicles are currently not realizing their potential, in particular as they are not being charged and driven fully electrically as frequently as assumed. To better reflect the real-world situation, the Commission has already introduced changes to the calculation used for the official test procedure, which will apply as of 2025, and may need to be further adjusted based on real-world data."

The WLTP is applied to EVs also and its quite telling that EV data has not been complied and reported in this report as a comparison. The WLTP is a lab test and the results attained while performing a WLTP test never match real world values on average it tends to be off by 20% which match the results in the graph. The previous standardized test "NEDC" was off by around 40%.

The EU wants more EVs on the road which is commendable but lets not forget that just over a decade ago the EU were publishing reports that showed the benefits to the environment of driving a diesel we all know how that ended up. If the EUs sole focus is the environment they would not be currently discussing measures to limit the importation of affordable cheap Chinese EVs.