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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Playing those extra phases in our 22 after receiving a kickoff drives me mad. Benetton clearly knew what to expect, Brex made a read and shut it down in midfield and we were lucky to not get turned over. The only other team I can recall doing the same with such regularity was Kieran Crowley's shambles of an Italy team.

    Two moments really stood out to me yesterday. The first, we were doing our usual lateral running and flat passing off first phase, nobody committed a Benetton defender so they just drifted until Jennings (I think) threw a pass to no-one, which they kicked in behind to score. The second was the 5 metre tap where nobody knew who was tapping the ball, Blade just stepped in and chucked it to Bundee for the score.

    Perhaps it's a Mike Catt type situation where Sexton has a genius vision for the attack but just needs time, but it's very hard to see right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I am with you… I think we have enough good players (if this coach can keep them)

    I very scared of the coaching at this stage.

    Example: Blade is a scrum half, scrum halves rarely are made captains (in GB & I) because they usually have enough responsibility and chirp to the ref all game. Blade's game has suffered taking on so much responsibility especially without Jack on the field.

    BTW, Jack is the opposite. Being Captain brought him on and made him take more control and increased his confidence…

    Tom Farrell is our only actual No. 13 in the squad and he is bloody good to boot. There is no way Hawshaw is ahead of him for a 13 jersey.

    This was our year to see if Forde could be a possible 10 going forward. It doesn't look like we are getting anything from the IFRU and Ulster are nailing themselves for any 10 coming available. If we want to try this we will need Tom Farrell to help cover the centre positions, it is crazy to be expecting Hugh Gavin to be URC quality straight out of the gate especially in such a demanding position...

    In fairness, the forwards have not been the source of problems since the Lions and where our source of scores on the weekend..

    Devine looks good too… There is so much to like in his game, his speed to the base is very high but he also seems to have that Marmion type of controlling the pace of the game, speeding up when they have a break or stressing the opposition.

    Jennings is the reason we won't miss Killgallen…

    Thought Boyle had a fine game considering how long he was out for and that disallowed try was dubious.. Rarely sen in other games.

    Finally, someone teach Bundee how to swear in Irish… He sould be only allowed to swear in Irish at training..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Dont agree on the Jennings comment. Jennings has been pinpointed (with Cordero) as the fullback replacement to TOH.

    That aside the season is over for us. So give Bundee the rest of the year off. Put Gavin in to replace him. Put Tom Farrell in at 13. Put Jennings at fullback. Put Forde at outhalf. Put Devine at scrum half.

    And this is how I would like to see it. We need to see if Jennings can cover fullback. There have been many failed experiments there to date. TOH is indeed slower these days, as you would expect, but he is always in the right place which is more important than speed.

    Anyway all that aside and for all my best plans, what realhorrorshow says is the reality. It doesn't matter what players you put where if everything is total confusion from a coaching perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    That sounds good to me, plus Mack and Smith on the wings. Think Hawkshaw is still an option at 12, otherwise he's a Swiss army knife 23. In the pack I'd like to see Niall Murray start with one of Darragh/Joyce, the other on the bench.

    But I don't think our season is over yet. The congestion mid-table is such that there could be a lot of surprises, could see us in 9th position after the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Timers are put into the game to provide consistency on actions and behaviours during the game. So to a degree it takes the actions of the referee out of the game. So let's continue down this line. I do remember in particular the Sharks game in Galway. When it was a Sharks throw they were into that lineout with no messing. When it was a Connacht lineout it was torture to get them into the lineout. So we put a one minute timer on a lineout. And then we have a timer from the point a referee says 'use it' at the back of a maul. Next we have a timer for when a player is held up off the ground before the a scrum to the opposition is called.

    So do you begin to see the problem. Players are playing the clock rather than rugby but the game is played in a consistent manner for both teams by the referee (in these circumstances).

    So let's continue down this line. So we have a scrum which many commentators suggest is pure dark arts and the decision of the referee is final. In 50% of cases it's clear and obvious. So what happens to the other 50%.

    Well to solve the issue scrums are removed from the game.

    Next we have the maul. Now the call that Paul Boyle didn't join the maul correctly was a travesty yesterday. So we need to remove the maul from the game so there can be no confusion

    And then we have the ruck. Now this a real bugbear of mine. You have hefty guys going in at speed at players who are pinned on the ground. Now that's clearly an unsafe situation so players should not be allowed join the ruck once the ruck is formed. It clearly is impossible for the referee to manage this situation.

    And while I write this as a form of wittism, the point I am making is that officiating such a game in a fair manner is nigh on impossible even if you wanted to be fair.

    I did appreciate the comments about Mike Adamson before the game this weekend relating to the fact he is so bad he will be fair to both teams. As compared to Frank Murphy who has the latitude to do as he wishes. And he is one bitter gobshite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭Number 137


    Is this a serious post? Because every sentence of it is rambling nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Calling it rambling nonsense is one thing. Explaining why would be helpful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭cson


    This season started with a ton of promise, the wins vs. Ospreys, Glasgow and Ulster and its hard not to look at it now as a very disappointing season. We've somehow appeared to regress over the season whereas you'd expect the team to get better as it grasps the ideas of a new coaching ticket.

    The email today basically begging people to come to the Sportsground for the Zebre game is the cherry on top.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Rugby4568


    Back line I’d like to see starting next match.
    9- Devine

    10 - Forde

    11 Jennings

    12 Hawkshaw

    13 Bundee Aki

    14- Tom Farrell

    15- Andrew Smith



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    And Rugby4568 you are coming across as more bitter than Rugby4567



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The email prompted a question I'd been wondering for a while. They said in it that the last 6 games had sold out but from a quick check there was only 4500 listed as the official attendance for Lions, 5200 for Scarlets and was over 7200 for Munster.

    During the lead up to the lions and scarlets games I kept hearing there was very few tickets remaining but then at the matches there was any amount of free space.

    Is it a case that we have already been set a reduced capacity that we can let in or is this just blatant misinformation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    For the first time in my life I am disliking your posts Borders. You have been at this long enough to know better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭lavrenti


    And Leinster get Jordi Barrett. The IRFU have gone all in on Leinster now and the rest of us are three feeder teams.

    Agree with other posters that we now treat the rest of this season as developmental and ensure Devine at 9, Forde at 10, and Jennings at 15 get all the game time going to the end of the season. We also need to reunite Aki and Farrell at 12 and 13 and hopefully get Hansen and Cordero some game time before the end of the season. With Ralston, Bolton, and Smith we actually have the makings of a decent back line there with Hawkshaw an option at 23.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Leinster probably sold more tickets in the last two weeks than we will all season. We have the strongest squad we've ever had and a major stadium redevelopment about to start, I don't think we can complain about the IRFU too strongly.

    If you want big signings, throwing away our chance at the knockouts and the Champions Cup certainly isn't going to help. I would like to see that backline against Zebre though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Delighted Keenan is moving here, him and Hansen will link up so well together, then we'll also have Andrew Smith on the other wing, that back 3 will wreak havoc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Well said. Likewise I have supported Connacht when they were winning a couple of games a season, don’t recall ever being as frustrated about the set up. After a lot of progress over the last ten to fifteen, there is a real lack of ambition about the current set up, a jobs for the boys attitude.

    From all appearances, there was never any alternative to Wilkins seriously considered last season which is absolutely bizarre when you look at his resume and the resume of our recent head coaches - Lam was a Heineken cup winning captain as a player and a super rugby head coach, Kieran Keane despite being an unmitigated disaster had a hell of a CV was offered Lions back coach by Gatland but had committed to Connacht, Andy Friend had been a premiership head coach, a super rugby head coach and Australia sevens head coach.

    Those were the appointments when Connacht was in a far weaker position and somehow when Connacht was in their best “shape” ever we ended up with a guy who had lost his position in Edinburgh as an assistant coach and been part of Friends set up which had some highs particularly the finish but plenty of recurring mistakes and lows too.

    Connacht badly needed a fresh direction but powers that be took the unambitious easy option. The decision to give Wilkins a three year contract was perhaps the most ridiculous part of it - I highly doubt he was being remotely considered for any comparable job, giving him three years is frankly a ludicrous insensible decision and a sackable offence for Willie Ruane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    I think part of the difference in figures is

    1. We have the bigger terraces for the inter pro games which is why Munster was higher.
    2. I think for the other games I think the difference is down to season ticket holders not attending and presumably some tickets sold and then people don’t attend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Unaware Hugo Keenan signed for Connacht. That's great news 🤔. Or that again rugby5845,😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    In fairness to the coaching staff , defensive has improved a huge amount this year and after A rocky start at lineout time the set piece looks fairly solid. It is Sexton and ultimately Wilkins that I have question marks over. Carolan is such and easy call to make.



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I appreciate that but the difference in numbers of these so called sold out games is seismic. I don't think the terrace was that much bigger for Munster to account for that number of people. Maybe a few hundred but not thousands. There used to be games not that long ago that we could push the attendance over 8k. Maybe health and safety has pushed that number back but even still you should have capacity to fit 6-6.5k in the ground minimum.

    6129 is the figure given for Bristol. Let's just take that at face value. That means that assuming everyone turned up for that game 1600+ ticket holders had tickets for Lions that they didnt use and almost 1000 for Scarlets (5241). I'm sorry but no matter how Connacht spin that it shouldn't go unchallenged. Something around 10% would be a credible fall off figure but the fall off from Bristol to Lions is well over 30%. If 1600 people can be burning money like that we are obviously in the middle of a new bigger and better Celtic Tiger

    I was always of the impression that if the ticket was sold you were counted in the attendance but even if that's not the case I find it hard to believe why the figures differ so wildly.

    I know Willie Ruanes previous employer weren't the best at keeping track of figures but they'd do a better job of massaging them than this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I think to get into the top 8 will take 48 points, Same as last year and the average 8th place is scoring rigth now…

    With a congested mid table that might drop a point.

    That means we need 14 points out of our last 5 games… If we could get 9 - 10 points from nect two games we are in with a shout.

    Munster away

    Stromers at home

    Leinster away (but if lucky after HC final and nothing to gain from the game)

    So we would need 4-5 points from these last 3 games…

    Not impossible but we need to start playing again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Ospreys and Benetton are likely to drop points given their fixtures and Benetton fighting on two fronts, so Connacht have a chance. Pick up 9 or 10 points in the next two rounds, and 2 weeks off to throw everything at Munster, then a home match against Stormers, and two weeks to prepare for Leinster, and if they’ve secured the top two by then and if they make it to the final of the Champions Cup scheduled for the week after the Connacht fixture they could have a completely second string team out.

    So, the next two matches are huge, get as many points as possible and then get ready for the last few rounds to be like knockout matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Systematically, when the opposition have the ball for periods of time, it’s been very good. It’s when Connacht miss a pass and the opposition react first or from kicks that Connacht don’t deal with that looks terrible. Far too many individual errors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    If you look at last weekend, we conceded 5 tries, which would lead you to think the defence was a major issue. However (IIRC), 1 was from a maul, two were directly from turnovers caused by poor attack, 1 was a kick receipt error, and 1 was a missed tackle by Blade on a good read. So our defensive system was not to blame for any scores. My take on our defence is that we are much more aggressive than previous seasons, which has worked very well against lower to mid table URC teams. However, against more powerful teams who have been able to dominate collisions, we have been blown out (Bulls, Bordeaux, Saracens, Lions).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Team I'd like to see for Zebre at the weekend (making some guesses on injury availability):

    15-9, 1-8: Jennings, Porch, Farrell, Forde, Smith, Hanrahan, Devine; Dooley, Tierney-Martin, Bealham, Dowling, Joyce, N Murray, Oliver, O'Brien

    16-23: Heffernan, Duggan, Illo, D Murray, Jansen, Blade, Hawkshaw, Gavin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    It seems we've managed to disprove the old saying that "the best form of defense is attack" quite a lot recently - with confusion or poor handling leading to turnovers, and those turnovers often resulting in demoralizing tries conceded. So, the onus is really on Mark Sexton to instill some clarity in the players minds, even if that means simplifying things considerably. Against Zebre and Dragons, hopefully we can build some confidence, and then who knows how we'll fair in the remaining fixtures. Hope is not lost, but the margin for error is gone at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Piers O’Conor rumoured to be coming to Connacht along with Lasisi and Ben Murphy from Leinster.

    Could probably still do with a loosehead, 8, outhalf and fullback.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,479 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    while Piers O Conor would be a very good signing and IQ now, do connacht really need another utility back?



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