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Partner speaking her language to our baby 24/7

  • 09-04-2024 6:39pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3


    Im feeling alienated and pushed or left out of the family , since my partner started speaking Czech to our boy ever day,

    I don’t understand her language so I feel left out . Unless I ask a question or she does we rarely talk or communicate now, I feel like I’m being left out,

    am I over reacting or being shellfish for feeling or thinking this , I’ve said it to her and I was told it my problem I should think of a solution , which I said can you not talk less Czech and more English so we can converse,

    That was shut down pretty quickly,

    I’d like him to be multilingual but he’s 9month and the 24/7 isn’t doing my head any good , or our relationship as we don’t talk as much anymore ,



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Time for you to learn Czech.

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,643 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Duolingo

    Why don't you just learn it? The kid will be fluent in it in 2 years. Why can't you?

    Your broken Czech attempts will probably annoy her enough to start speaking English to you



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Duke of Schomberg


    "or being shellfish" . . . perhaps that's the problem? and it's time to "czech out" of the relationship.

    Counter attack - come back with with some "as gaelige", if you can't speak it just leave the baby exposed to TG4 output (if you can stand that tosh).

    Seriously . . .

    At the end of the day, if she wants to speak Czech what can you do? Other than perhaps ask yourself, why she's doing that. Is it just because she's worried her child will grow up as Irish without an understanding/attachment to his Czech routes?? Sorry to pose this, but is this a sign/signal[sic] that your relationship is dead?? . . .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭mulbot


    My wife has spoken her language to our 2 children since birth, we both wanted it that way. Children are fluent in both (really handy when we go visit, children can find friends so easily, etc). It's helped me too, I'm not remotely fluent in the other language but can converse a bit and understand alot better. We've also noticed they find learning other language(s) alot easier - not sure why, just an observation, I 100% recommend the children learning both parents language



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 aulddanser


    I do want him to be bi lingual , it’s the constant 24/7 it getting to me , it’s like I’m not in the room sometimes , I know she’s talking silly things as he’s young , but we can’t converse in anything, it’s only a questions and answers dialogue,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    As the guys said above, learn the language. You've a perfect opportunity to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,056 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    If you're living here then your child is going to grow up *completely* immersed in the English language. Your wife is simply trying to carve out a small joint cultural space for her and your son before his surroundings take over. That you're jealous of that is a bit weird, if I'm being completely honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    A lot of mixed-language parents do this. The child becomes totally bilingual, which is a good thing, imo.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yeah, but it's more than that according to the OP. He feels frozen out by her as well, so it's more than just the issue with the baba. But this is always the risk/ opportunity I guess with two people from different cultures and with different languages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭kirving


    It might not be right - but it's certainly not weird.

    Fathers feeling left out after the birth of a child, is an incredibly common occurrence. Even if the child's mother is doing her level best to be inclusive of the fathers, she only has so much attention to go around, and it's now split in two. Invalidating the OP's feelings as "weird" is a very poor response tbh.

    The other side of it may very well be that the OP's partner is intentionally excluding him, at best just so she has some shared culture with her child, or at worst as she plans to leave the country with her baby. We don't know the truth.

    @aulddanser The language issue is either the cause of a clear rift in your relationship, or the symptom of one. It needs to be solved very quickly before any further resentment builds up, on either side.

    The fact that your partner is not really willing to discuss it could be that you've approached it in a way she views as negative (ie: you haven't bothered to learn Czech), or that she isn't receptive of your thoughts for another reason. It may simply be a sign of temporary postnatal depression.

    Whatever the reason, the fact your child is in the middle means that by default it's a serious issue. I'd strongly suggest that you speak to a relationship councilor, together to air your feelings, and hers, with some moderation and guidance. You're not weird.

    https://www.newsweek.com/two-thirds-new-dads-feel-left-out-early-days-parenting-1701107



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,856 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    At the moment, you're talking to your child in English 100% of the time, and your wife is talking to them in Czech 100% of the time. That sounds pretty balanced. If you want your wife to decrease her Czech proportion, up your Czech share

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,659 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    "Unless I ask a question or she does we rarely talk or communicate now,"

    Communication and/or other problem(s), not a language problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭iniscealtra


    Her speaking Czech to the child is how the child will become billingual. Otherwise it will be an English speaking household. It is obviously important for her that your child can converse with family and friends in Cxech. I would learn some Czech and get involved. Also maybe get a babysitter and spend some quality time just the two of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,738 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I know a Finnish man married to a Vietnamese woman, they have 2 kids.

    The dad and kids speak Finnish. The mam and kids speak Vietnamese. All together as as a family, they speak English. Kids fluent in all 3.

    Maybe ye could do something like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭Feets


    Do you think this is going to change? Were you with her for long before she got pregnant? Make an effort. Learn some words and phrases...start there...she probably misses home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 aulddanser


    it’s not the she is speaking Czech to him it’s she’s not speaking to me , or that I am not included in there conversation, nor will I be by the sounds of it,

    It’s our breakdown in conversation since this started ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Are u working from home? Missus at home all day?

    If I got home from work at 6 n nipper going to bed at 7 I'd ask the missus to do English for that hour. Don't think it's too much to ask tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    This is how Vikings on the Isle of Man ended up speaking a Gaelic language.

    A Carer in their early twenties was in the house at home looking after a family member at the weekend. They had a nice neutral Irish accent. It turns out the Carer was from a Baltic state but lived here all their life. There is no danger that the child won't pick up English in addition to Czech. A good understanding of one slavic language will be of enormous benefit to the child in later years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    what a wonderful gift to give her child.



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  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    It is the advice given to parents who want their children to be bilingual. Each parent exclusively speaks to the child in their language.

    Your child is a baby. He also doesn't understand what she's saying. But by listening and watching and engaging he will learn. Why can't you do the same. It's up to you to learn to speak Czech. I assume she already speaks English.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭Tork


    I get the sense there's more going on here. How long are you together? Were you happy before this?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You seem to be confusing two different issues - your relationship with your partner and the up bring of your child.

    The second I can comment on. At least in the early stages the approach is one parent one language so the kid does not get confused, that is normal. With my son I was very disciplined and never reacted when he spoke the Swiss German dialect to me, so he was unaware that I understood him and he picked up English very quickly. Unfortunately I was lazy with my daughter and she quickly figured out I understood her and the result was that she did not speak a word of English to me until she was about 8. Most people including kids learn languages because they are useful and no matter what you do your kid will speak his mother’s language first simply because he needs to to survive! He’ll understand English from the beginning, but he will make less effort to speak until he needs to.

    With my daughter it was realizing that she was missing out on the jokes being made by the bus drivers on the hop on hop off bus in Dublin and wanting to explain things to her granny that gave her the motivation to concentrate on her English.

    My kids are in their mid 20s now and both got the C2 English exam dropping only a couple of points. My son studied computer science in Switzerland taking the major of his lectures in English, while my daughter is completing her degree at an English university. So your kid will definitely learn English and probably have a better command of the language than you do! But that is some way off.


    What you have to figure out now is the type of relationship YOU want to have with your son. If you want to fully participate in your son’s life, then you are going to have to learn your partner’s language and that is a given. And now is the time to do it because the communication is very simple and easy to pick up, but it will speed up and become more difficult.

    I really hope you make the decision to learn the language because you’ll miss out on a lot if you don’t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 139 ✭✭KnicksInSix


    My wife speaks her language only to our child and I speak English only to our child. When we met I started to learn her language. Duolingo, courses, speaking with her etc all easily done and builds up over time. As Jim2007 said above, I pretend I don't know my wife's language with the child so the child speaks to me in English and vice versa. In the long run this is the best outcome for everyone. Starting now yourself when the baby is young is a great opportunity for you.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It actually is for the child, it can upset and confuse them. That is why it’s one parent one language, at least at the start. In Switzerland it is a bit more difficult for kids in the German speaking part because we speak dialects that have no written form and so use Standard German as well to communicate and the mixing of languages and dialects often sets kids back a while depending on family circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Shoog


    How can you have a relationship if you expect it all on your terms. Your relationship is doomed if you don't try to learn chech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Unless I ask a question or she does we rarely talk or communicate now

    Are you sure this wouldn't still be the case even if she spoke English? Do you try to start actual conversations with her and she just ignores you or are you waiting for her to star them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    What Kirving said in post #11. This isn't really about the language. Exactly the same issues could arise if the entire family were monolingual; Mum gives her priority, time and emotional energy to Baby and Dad feels emotionally excluded.

    As others have pointed out, the parents here are doing exactly what parents are recommended to do if they want to raise a bilingual child. The change that's needed here is not in how Mum communicates with Baby, but in communication between Mum and Dad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    What was the relationship like before and during the pregnancy? Any recurring arguments or issues?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DearMyMe


    Sounds to me like the problem is more the lack of communication in the couple.

    But would definitely recommend learning Czech to the OP.

    My wife is Taiwanese and I have a child with her and I started learning Chinese years ago. Still have a long way to go but I understand all the stuff she is saying to my son. It would not annoy me that she is speaking Chinese to him I think it is great but it would annoy me not understand anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Babies brains are like little sponges when it comes to language, they soak up everything so now is the best time to learn. Being multi lingual will be a huge advantage in life.

    You're annoyed because you can't speak Czech. You're just gonna have to learn it.

    You've had a kid (9 months) with his person, so I'm guessing you're with them a long time, at least 2 years. So in all the time you've been with the person, you haven't learned any Czech at all?

    My mates that have partners that come from countries where English is not the 1st language have all learned some of their language. I've one who even learned Finnish which is extremely difficult.

    Just make a start on learning it OP. You'll be grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It's not obvious from the OP where this is taking place? Are you living in Czech, Ireland, somewhere else? I ask because there is a risk the kiddo could NOT pick up english, if you are not speaking to him and he also is immersed in another culture. Babies need to be spoken to if they are to learn it. I know baby talk might not be your comfort zone…

    We don't live in Ireland. We speak exclusively English at home (with a tiny smattering of Irish), and my kids are speaking the local language to their friends / neighbours etc. The youngest one is picking it up noticeably faster than all of us. Babies language learning ability is absolutely exceptional, take advantage of this as much as you can!

    We have a neighbour who had a small baby when we moved here, and we bump into them fairly often, have bbqs etc. They asked us to speak english to their baby when we met them. It's only a couple of times a week for a few mins at a time maybe. He has recently turned two, and speaks to me and my kids in English! Speaks to his dad in Italian and his mum in German. It's really mind-blowing how babies can do this.

    If you speak to baby in English, and she speaks in Czech, and all will be right in the world. Baby learns both.

    Speaking to eachother is a different story, and marriages between different languages and cultures have this extra complexity. For your own sanity and relationship, it probably would help you if you could understand your own wife though, even if you don't speak it. Listening and understanding comes a lot easier than speaking. Do a few mins a day on Duolingo and you'll have it in no time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    I am glad this has thread has been effectively bumped. I haven't read all of the posts so apologies if this has come up already.

    It is extremely important that the child listens to its mother in the mothers language at an early age. I live in the Netherlands and speak English with my kids. The kids hear/speak dutch in school.Their mother is neither Irish nor Dutch. We had the older child's language development checked out by the pediatric services here and the explained to us that infants in particular are better off been spoken to in the mothers first language. This is so that the child's emotional nurture is mot impeded. The reason that this can happen is that even if the child does not understand the words the mothers 'love' so to speak is also communicated trough tones and the timbre of her voice. This can be lost if the mother is not speaking her native tongue. So I would suggest putting up with this for now,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    My wife is Slovak. She speaks to the kids in Slovak. Out eldest speaks the language and he can talk to his grandparents most days.

    The youngest understands but hasn't shown any interest in speaking the language.

    I've never had a problem with not knowing what their talking about. I tried learning but gave up. It's a tough nut to crack.

    Ive Irish friends abroad. Their kids speak 5 languages. Including local languages. The parents speak 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭paul71


    Hi, almost identical situation and I encouraged it. My kids Grandparents only speak Czech and I absolutely wanted them to learn so they could speak to their Grandparents. I learned Czech before the kids were born so in that respect I cannot say I ever felt left out, but I will say that unless your partner speaks to them exclusively in Czech then they are unlikely to pick it up. I have found most language emersion actually comes from the playground and not the parents, this is true of families I know where both parents are Czech and the kids tend to reply to questions given in Czech by speaking English.



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