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In need of a website - paid gig

  • 08-04-2024 10:35am
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭


    hi all

    have been searching Fiverr to get someone to develop a website for me the past few months but can’t get anyone that’s able to cater to what I need.

    The purpose is a classifieds website similar to DoneDeal, I need this done on Wordpress . Anyone that’s able to help me out here let me know please.
    also do not contact me if you’re going to quote me €8,500 or thousands like I have been quoted already by Fiverr developers.
    this is a demo website I need made, not a massive site. I have the majority of the html code already done and have examples of exactly what I need.

    I’m open to reasonable pricing


    thanks in advance 🙏



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Ive done websites for people before as nixers. Its never worth my time. They actually always seem to want something different to what they asked for in the first place and expect endless changes for free.

    I actually dont know anyone who is going to do a website and not quote bug, so that they are covered when the inevitable happens.

    Not saying this is you OP but it probably is - People think they know how to code their own website so that a professional is left with an easy gig, yet if you were that good, you should be able to finish it off yourself and not need a professional.

    So you've stated what you wont be paying for it, but are extremely vague on what you want. Why not put in your post exactly what you want and what you are willing to pay for it and then see if anyone wants to help for that price.

    You are basically asking people top bid on an unknown piece of work here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    no I’m saying if anyone does want to do this for me they can message me for the full details etc. I’m not going to post the entire thing up here as it is a business idea as such so I won’t be posting all details on a public forum.

    I just don’t want to be quoted almost 10 grand for a website that’s going to be for demo purposes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    It might be a graphic designer you need for a demo.

    Or you might get a student looking for some experience who might do a website for you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    any idea how I would go about finding a student to help ? I’d be more than willing to pay him/her for it too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Go into one of the universities and ask can they post an ad for you. DCU have an officer who deals with this sort of stuff. Cant remember what its called.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Jesus, you’d be willing to pay them for them doing work that they’re probably already very qualified in?

    Fair play to you 😉

    *I’m only messing with the above, but seriously, you have to be willing to part with half-decent money even for a demo site. It’s still something somebody has experience in etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    €8,500 would be very very cheap. Think about it logically. You need at least 7 pages built.

    Homepage, Search Page, Ad View Page, Edit Ad Page, Publish Ad Page, User Dashboard and Payment Page. This is a lot of work. You could spent the guts of a year on this.

    Never mind dealing with all the compliance laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    ….and…

    You want cheap labour? That's exactly what you'll get. Lack of quality, lack of ambition from the creator (why should they bust their balls for a reduced fee?), lack of communication potentially, again because you aren't paying market value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    I got quoted €8,500 for a website and a timeline of 6 weeks. I’m not dumb enough to think that the guy is only working on my site during those 6 weeks. That’s just ridiculous pricing when I already did the majority of the html code myself anyway , so it’s not from scratch at all .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,356 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Would you not just go via wix or similar? It's pretty straightforward to setup and scale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    I can build a website no problem myself , I have done. But what I need is someone that’s able to create a website where I can have users create accounts, message one another. List adverts, take payment etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭shimadzu


    Sounds like you are looking for a finished website instead of a demo site. Might help if you post what you are hoping to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    So someone with expertise and experience? You’ll have to pay the going rate



  • Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭purplefields


    So you'll also need some kind of database and payment system integration.

    What is your maximum budget for this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,656 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You don't want to post it on a public forum. The website is for demo purposes. Presumably you think there an business opportunity as the outcome. If you are serious about it's potentially, I wouldn't be getting any uncontracted work done.

    Of course he's not only working on your site for those 6 weeks. For 6 weeks full time work, I want a lot more than 8500e



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    I’m sorry but no matter what industry you’re in that’s a ridiculous an obnoxious rate tbh. So you reckon you’d want at least €1,000 per week of work to work on something for probably 3-4 hours per day at the very most? Good luck with that . You’re not a brain surgeon , this isn’t life or death



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    asking someone their maximum budget is just another way of asking how much money you can drain out of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx




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  • Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭purplefields




  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    Nope, not something with full capabilities for thousands of adverts and users. Just something to showcase the features first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    that’s just obnoxiousness to be quite honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭peejay1986


    If it's just a demo site would you not try and do it via a Wordpress template or something like that? Plenty would have the functionality you've mentioned. Then use the money you save to increase your proper build's budget.



  • Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭purplefields


    Here's why:

    1. It's taken me many years of college and then work to learn how to do this stuff. Unlike most other professions, software development is constantly changing. What's relevant this year may not be relevant next year. While normal people are watching netflix, I'm probably sifting through AWS documents or trying to upgrade the latest thing Microsoft have deprecated. You can't just learn the stuff once, like block laying or something. You don't see any of that.
    2. I can get work for my actual rate easily enough.
    3. Sounds like a nightmare of a project with endless spec creep.
    4. Might not even get paid at the end of it.
    5. You think it's easy because you've shat out some HTML.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭long_b


    If it's just a "demo" website would mocked up screenshots not do ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    So OP if you read pack to post number 2 in the thread, now do you understand why people dont want to get involved in doing websites as nixers, especially if the person commissioning it thinks that they know better?

    I think its clear at this point why you are getting no takers. As I said, your only hope is to convince a student who wants experience to do it for you, but that would still even be very hard on your budget im guessing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    You're all over the place here OP. First of all, if it's just a demo, why do you need user accounts, payment integration etc.? Second, you want it done in Wordpress, but you keep talking about the HTML code you've already done. Wordpress development involves the use of virtually no HTML code whatsoever. Thirdly, even if that code was usable, absolutely no serious developer wants to take on some amateur's attempt at a code to try and bring it up to standard. Any decent developer will be using a standardised bootstrap setup as the framework for a new build. They won't use any of your code, so your code hasn't reduced their work even the tiniest bit.

    TBH, if your interactions with the developers you've approached have been anything like the way you've been responding here, there's every chance the quotes you have received are basically "go away" figures: an amount that is either absurdly profitable, or makes sure they don't have to deal with you as a client

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    You basically want an ecommerce site (create accounts, take payments) €8500 seems cheap.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    I’m well aware Wordpress requires little to no html . I learned the html coding so I could make website pages exactly how I want them so I can show a developer exactly the design , buttons, layout etc that I want without having to try explain it. Probably not payment integration at first. But definitely the functionality to create a handful of user accounts to show messaging capabilities , favourites lists, own listings etc.

    I’m well capable of making a website on Wordpress myself but thought it would be better to get a professional to polish it up and help add bits I’m unsure of such as the ability to add user accounts etc . But forgive me if I’m not going to pay close to €10,000 to do so because that’s just utter extortion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Just an FYI OP. I use to work for a marketplace company. 15 engineers were employed and it was nothing special. Salaries between 40-100K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    OP your idea of what extortion is needs a reality check



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭shimadzu


    But what you appear to be asking for a fully functioning website, the number of users and averts is not really relevant?



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    paying someone €1,000 a week to have them work part time on my website on top of other websites theyre developing is a bit over the top to say the least .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭peejay1986


    I'll just be straight with you. You haven't a clue. You're making yourself out to be at best naive and at worst utterly ignorant and insulting.

    If you're looking at €8,500 over say six weeks, it would break down to roughly 15-18 hours per week based on a fairly conservative hourly rate - assuming my maths are correct.

    If you're getting a freelance developer to committ to that amount of time per week, on fairly short notice, then that is in no way unreasonable.

    Granted you may not want to pay it or see the value in it, but that's not the Dev's problem.

    I'm sure you have done but sit down and have a think about the value and importance of your demo. How important is this? Could it make or break your project? Is this really the time to be cutting corners?

    If it's a success then you could be looking back at the €8,500 in a few years and thinking what a bargain you got.

    EDIT - My numbers are off! I think(!) it's actually worse for the dev.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    What did freelancers on fiverr quote you? That is the absolute best your going to get. I've seen some ridiculously cheap good quality work on there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭masterK


    Why not use Figma and produce a prototype if all you need is a demo?



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    In need of more than a website!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭techguy


    If you paid me 8500 euro to build that for you I'd certainly be the one losing out..

    Your attitude is the reason you have t found somebody to build it for you yet.

    And if you find somebody to do it for you for a reasonable price, it won't end well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    You think you should get someone's skills and creative product on the cheap because they have another job?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Designator


    plot twist, i got someone to do it for a far cheaper price and someone local that I can actually meet with and specify what I need, so it just goes to prove that you tech lads and website builders are basically extorting people as I already knew anyway . And this guy actually runs a business doing this, its not just some freelancer, so proves my point. wind your necks in lads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Can we see an Mvp?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Probably got some lad who runs a phone repair shop to do it for cheap.

    Can we have a look at the finished result?

    Make sure to get someone independent to pen test it for you before you go live, that costs money too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭purplefields


    Thanks for reporting back. I don't doubt that you found someone to do this cheaper.

    For me it illustrates that people considering a career in software development should really reconsider. I'd never recommend software development as a career. Fine to do it as a hobby. There are far, far easier and more lucrative paths to follow.

    In the last year I'm increasing using AI to write code, and I know it's only a matter of time when my own job is completely gone. I'm relatively lucky in that I do not have too many years left.

    A couple of days ago someone posted what painters and decorators are charging. Might be a handy career change for me. Something I might be able to retrain easily enough for and AI-Safe



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭shimadzu


    Looks good OP



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 jacobss


    What amount are you counting on?



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