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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • #872
    Murt2024
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Murt2024


    OP here, from what I can tell Beasty ruined the site been smart with people with 5k posts. They tried to compromise but a smart reaction every time from him on prison forum. Why would you do that to great posters?

    My way or the high way is seems to be what happening with boards and moderators. Its like been in the leaving cert again and mods acting like teachers.

    You do know right that you do need attract a younger generation? Anyone left on boards is at least in their 40's



  • #873
    REDBULL68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭REDBULL68


    What's the point of this ,it has over 34,000 views and posts on this thread alone, so it's obviously growing, if ya don't like it go somewhere else .



  • #874
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't think Beasty was that hard in the prison forum, if you ended up there you usually had done something wrong...



  • #875
    tom23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121986508#Comment_121986508

    Excellent post. Ive been warned a couple of times for 'trolling' and I have to say Jesus if thats trolling, I give up. Over modding… I dont know..

    But a general question, do mods when they apply a warning is it based on someone reporting the post or them going through each one?



  • #876
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991017#Comment_121991017

    Hiya Murt2024,

    Since signing up in January you've started 4 threads. 3 of them complaining about Boards.ie, 1 asking Billie Eilish to go out with you.

    Genuine question: If it's so terrible why do you continue to visit the site? (It's hardly to see if Billie Eilish has answered your thread) Membership is voluntary as is visiting the site. I can never understand people who endlessly complain about something while continuing to do it.

    Did you email datarequests@boards.ie to close your account as advised?



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  • #877
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991240#Comment_121991240

    It depends. Reported posts are looked through. Not every reported post will need to be warned though.

    If a moderator is reading a thread they may see a post themselves that needs to be actioned and do so without knowing if anyone has reported it or not.



  • #878
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954831#Comment_121954831

    I completely agree. I had never had a thread ban until the most recent iteration of boards, even when discussing very controversial topics. Now “discussion” and “debate” is difficult unless the opinions being discussed are completely non contentious.
    it is a pity, because Boards discussions have helped change my opinion on some matters and certainly inform my opinion by seeing different perspectives in others.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #879
    tom23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991258#Comment_121991258

    I actually think it's not that far of being draconian. Im pissed over my latest warning, and In saying all that, thats on heated, divisive topics. I dunno if they are stricter on these topic.

    I still think the DIY is golden. Have solved more problems in my house thanks to that topic. Maybe I should I should solely stick to that.



  • #880
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I think too many on this thread are judging the Moderation, traffic, and usefulness of Boards based on just a very few forums like CA, Soccer or After Hours. There's a host of other vibrant forums on the site where discussion thrives, advice is given, moderators rarely get involved and posters aren't bickering.



  • #881
    Packrat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Here we are discussing low level trolling and how to combat it, and meanwhile over on one of the most contentious threads, the biggest offender across several has the one single threadban against them lifted. One little bit of moderation over thousands of dung posts and several posters banned for quarreling with that user, and now it's reversed.

    There's no point. This is a farce.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • #882
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,868 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The problem, as I see it, is a lot of posters do not know what "be civil" means.

    And I mean that quite literally, they actually do not know that it means to be civil to other people



  • #883
    tom23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    (if it’s the same poster Im thinking off) i done a roger moore eyebrow shift when I saw the ban lifted.



  • #884
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121986508#Comment_121986508

    nice post.

    One of my least favourite quirks of boards is the complete inability to appeal thread bans. It makes zero sense. It has happened to me twice, once deserved and the other time absolutely not.

    Raised it to the admins via DRP, was just told “you can’t appeal thread bans via DRP” and left it at that. It was incredibly frustrating after all the time I have put into disputes with my moderation over the years.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #885
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Has anyone with a threadban PMd the moderator, or maybe a different moderator in the forum? A ban might be applied but on discussion overturned. As it seems it has been in the above case.

    As pointed out above "be civil" gets you a long way. Both on threads and in discussion with moderators.



  • #886
    tom23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991402#Comment_121991402

    I got a thread ban lifted but got it again. Imo it was harsh, considering some of the other stuff I've seen posted. I guess one, myself included, really has to look at the difference between sarcasm and trolling. It's a fine line imo. I do think some posters on certain threads get away with their own low level of trolling.



  • #887
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991402#Comment_121991402

    Yes, i have had a thread ban overturned, specifically in the Enoch thread. 3 PM's to the issuing Mod and it was taken care of. And i have posted in that thread since



  • #888
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You can appeal threadbans in HelpDesk.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #889
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991402#Comment_121991402

    I didn't think you could pm a different moderator in the forum - you had to deal with the one who issues the warning / threadban?

    I've been spoken to like I was no better than a dog when I attempted to discuss something with a moderator civilly. Their tone and response when I contacted them was instantly hostile and rude. Decidedly "uncivil". CMod didn't want to know.

    I've seen that same moderator speaking to other posters with the same lack of civility many times. Maybe they themselves don't know how to conduct themselves in a civil manner. Or just know they won't get pulled up for it.



  • #890
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If you feel you are being unfairly treated you can of course contact another moderator or go to the Cat-moderator. It's probably better to go to the Category Moderator but there's no rule that you cannot PM any moderator in any forum. If you find one moderator hot headed, of course you can try discuss with a more reasonable moderator.

    There's a poster in PI who thinks I have a grudge against them. As a result I have agreed to not action that poster any more and let the other moderators deal with them.

    As with any poster if you get a PM from a moderator that you think is abusive or out of line you should report it. Take a screenshot and send it to any Admin.



  • #891
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I would suggest to all posters appealing an infraction also that you focus on your own post/warning and not about those around you.

    A lot of attempts at appeal I come across usually involve an attempt to discuss others, out of respect for all I personally will never discuss another poster with anyone else (bar other mods of course when necessary).

    It is never acceptable to lash out regardless if you feel like you’ve been on the receiving end of uncivil posting, please report it and let us deal with it.



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  • #892
    Packrat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Packrat


    @Big Bag of Chips , any comment to add on the unbanning of one the most vexatious serial rereg trolls in CA this morning?

    There's been lots of fine words here about dealing with low level trolling but action speaks many times louder..

    Clearly Beasty isn't on board with any proposed change to how they are dealt with. His action this morning is a slap in the face to those who took their time to post on the topic here, and demonstrates what the moderation policy on these individuals will be from here on.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • #893
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    @bigbagofchips

    If you feel you are being unfairly treated you can of course contact another moderator or go to the Cat-moderator. It's probably better to go to the Category Moderator but there's no rule that you cannot PM any moderator in any forum. If you find one moderator hot headed, of course you can try discuss with a more reasonable moderator.

    Can we get this stickied somewhere? Because I have always understood that this was not an option, and that you had to deal with mod who issued the warning / threadban in all circumstances. CMod also didn't want to know, until this was done.

    Thanks.



  • #894
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991787#Comment_121991787

    You should always start by contacting the same mod.

    You can contact another mod or the cmod if you think the mod is being unfair to you.



  • #895
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If you've been issued a warning and are disputing it the first step is to discuss with the moderator in question.

    If you have ongoing issues with a specific moderator then of course you can contact the moderation team and/or the C-Mod to raise your concerns.

    You are all aware that moderators have their own forums to discuss issues in their particular forums. Some teams are much better than others at communicating with each other. But if a complaint is made to a moderator about another moderator it will be discussed and addressed. The moderator may discuss it with the team as a whole or may go to the C-Mod themselves for advice.

    But everyone on here is an adult. So adults should be able to discuss issues with each other. There are formal processes in place for raising disputes or complaints but that doesn't mean that informal avenues can't be taken too. Very often a PM outlining issues can help to highlight problems and get them sorted without the need for formal procedure.



  • #896
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991942#Comment_121991942

    That sounds good in theory, but call me cynical - I can't see that going down well with mods if other mods from the same forum intervened and started over-ruling them.

    As I've said, I've found CMods don't want to know unless you've dealt with the mod first.



  • #897
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991708#Comment_121991708

    I've already said on this thread it is a forum I know very little about and tend to stay away from! So I don't even know what poster and which thread you are talking about.

    I will go to the moderators and C-Mods though and discuss what's going on.



  • #898
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    So adults should be able to discuss issues with each other.

    You'd wish.

    But there are mods that don't do that. They don't discuss, they take the line "do as I say, not as I do", and expect nothing less than an admission of wrong behaviour and a grovelling apology, even if their action was (in the opinion of the person challenging it) unwarranted.

    This is where accusations of power-tripping mods comes in.

    I personally will not admit to wrong-doing or apologise for something just for the sake of it when I believe the mod was wrong in the first place.

    It leaves a poster between a rock and a hard place.



  • #899
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Ezeuol, as mentioned above if you are having ongoing issues with a "power-tripping mod" then highlight it with someone else.

    It will be looked at and it will be dealt with.



  • #900
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992079#Comment_121992079

    I don't, currently, and I hope I never will. Now I just don't bother with the forum they mod any more.

    But I am filing the information on this thread for future use, if ever its needed.

    As an aside, as well as the "ignore poster" function, boards should explore getting an "ignore thread" or "ignore forum" feature, if possible, with Vanilla.



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  • #901
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There are loads of threads and loads of forums I don't ever click in to.

    It's possible to manually ignore a thread/forum you don't want to read.



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