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Building workshop & office in back garden - Planning?

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  • #32
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987719#Comment_121987719

    Not an issue. You’re free to disagree and remain incorrect.



  • #33
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987853#Comment_121987853

    Well, you got professional advice on this thread already but looks like you chose to ignore it. Im not even sure why you asked the question in the first place as you have now indicated that you intend to proceed with the proposal.



  • #34
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121988532#Comment_121988532

    I was not aware that I got professional advice in this thread, that was not made clear to me. Nice to know :)

    Since starting the thread I received conflicting advice. Considering the shed as ”temporary” was not something I had considered until it was proposed to me. I accept that this approach may be flawed but I think I will explore it anyway.
    What harm?



  • #35
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,727 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    uk planning regulations has (or at least used to have) allowance for "temporary structures" in a domestic setting, and thats the source of most of the temporary exemption myth in ireland.

    in ireland we absolutely do not have exemptions for "temporary" domestic structures, and yes even a polytunnel will require planning permission if it exceeds the allowable area under exempt regs.

    note that ive consistently referred to "domestic" structure when commenting here, as there are absolutely allowance for temporary structures in a commercial activity, such as site cabins on new house scheme builds or civil works etc.



  • #36
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,495 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121989688#Comment_121989688

    The way I see it, pragmatically, "temporary" or moveable structure just makes it easier/cheaper to comply with an order to remove it.

    E.g. if you have a 1000 euro polytunnel and the council orders you to take it down, the costs of compliance are….1000 euro.

    If you have a caravan and the council orders you to remove it, you can move it or sell it and the costs of compliance are…zero.

    Whereas if you have a 30k euro "garden room" and the council orders you to remove it, you're down about 30k because I have never seen such structures for sale, only posted on freebie forums in the form "free to whoever comes and removes it".

    Also, I like DIY but if I had a 35sqm shed I wouldn't fancy chopping 30% off it to make it comply. That would be no fun at all.

    So I think sensible advice is "first know the regs, and then if you want to ignore them, think about the costs of compliance".

    FWIW my shed is arguably non-compliant because it's got a 4m ridge but is built on a hill, so the ridge line is more than 4m from the lowest ground level. My plan B is to crane it or jack it into a hole, which might actually be fun, if nobody dies.



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  • #37
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Having thought long and hard about the advice received I have decided to build the shed in a compliant manner. So that means that the footprint of the shed will not exceed 25 sq. meters. Thanks again for all of the advice.

    The design I am proceeding with will have a single pitch roof with only a 5 degree pitch. My question is how high am I allowed to build this shed?

    The plan is that the roof will be 2.88 m above ground level at the highest point.



  • #38
    Lumen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122793332#Comment_122793332

    5 degree pitch <15 degrees = flat so 3m high.

    Source:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114874687#Comment_114874687


  • #39
    muffler
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122793332#Comment_122793332

    3 metres high is the max for that type of roof to keep it within the exemptions so you will be fine.



  • #40
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    thank you



  • #41
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Just jumping on this. I'm building a garden room but Im just looking for clarification on this

    5. FRONT LINE OF THE PROPERTY

    Garden rooms can be built to the rear or side of your property. If you would like to place your room at the side of your property, to meet the exemption criteria you must either screen the garden room with fencing, bushes or trees, or the garden room must match the façade of the existing building.

    The structure is been built in the rear of the garden but is in line with the boundary so can be seen from the front but my side has a 2m gate. Is this ok so?



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  • #42
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Is it the rear garden or the rear of the side garden? Also what is the boundary you say it's in line with?



  • #43
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122797880#Comment_122797880
    Screenshot 2024-11-04 165203.png

    I'll just show you what I mean, its easier. I presume that is still classed as rear and not side, despite in side view. Pretty common placing for a shed etc I presume?

    Post edited by rob316 on


  • #44
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122798004#Comment_122798004

    Thanks for that. Yes, that would be classed as being to the rear of the house. Im not sure where you pulled the text from in your first post about screening etc as that has no bearing on the exemptions. Im assuming its from the website of some company or other who are selling garden sheds and who know nothing about planning.

    You can have a look at the exemptions here (See Class 3 for garden room/shed/garage etc) and the conditions attached to same.



  • #45
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122799710#Comment_122799710

    Thanks a lot. Since you know your stuff, where is the 3m height taken from is that from the highest point of land around the structure? Or are the rules not that detailed.



  • #46
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122799742#Comment_122799742

    You are right to ask the question and I wish I could give you a definitive answer as the regulations dont specify anything when it comes to varying levels. However it is normally taken from the highest point of the ground level.



  • #47
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122799742#Comment_122799742

    As what Exhaust said but be aware of an issue which can arise if shed in built close to or on boundary wall that u share with a pi$$arsed neighbour.

    I built a shed to the 3m, he removed 500 mm of clay from along the wall on his side, I had to drop it 500 and he refilled.

    It was back in the day when you didn't even need to put it in a brown envelope

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #48
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,925 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122799771#Comment_122799771

    I have a concrete base above ground level about 100mm, so to be safe I better include that in the overall height.



  • #49
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122802274#Comment_122802274
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122802274#Comment_122802274

    Yes measure height from undisturbed ground level at the highest point and you can't go wrong.



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