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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    But it wasn't meant as fat shaming. BTW I like Sam and think he is a pretty thick skinned bloke who doesn't read Boards.

    I could refer to FLJ and SA…but people might wonder why am I referencing South Africa. His surname is a little difficult spelling wise, so BFS is a quick solution.

    Example of common references out there:

    "BFS reveals thoughts on “do or die” West Ham clash

    Posted by Hugh5outhon1895 on May 20, 2023 in NewsWhispers"

    This is as much a term of affection.

    But maybe Boards is following the cancel culture:

    Roald Dahl books rewritten to remove language deemed offensive

    Augustus Gloop now ‘enormous’ instead of ‘fat'

    Are you offended by Dahl?

    And maybe answer my two questions

    Q.

    1. were you offend by me using BFS ?
    2. Do you think any other poster on the soccer forum was offended by that post?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    The problem in the soccer forum was there were multiple nicknames for multiple managers that irritated some, so it was decided that being adults, managers should be called by their actual names. Just like teams couldn't have their ridiculous mangling of their names used either. Completely sensible rule, and clearly stated. I agreed with it then and still do now.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Not sure if you actually read my post correctly, but…. As per your Q1 - I don't agree with labelling a manager in such a way - fat shaming - not sure why you would think it is okay to be honest.

    As for Q2 - I wouldn't think anyone can speak for Everyone on the Soccer forum - which is Exactly why we have a Feedback Thread - as I mentioned - and it is there where you should put your thoughts and ideas and see the feedback you receive from the posters there.

    I don't care where the term is used elsewhere - that's not my concern.

    As per Soccer Charter, it's not acceptable, plain and simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    clearly I am wasting my time with you.

    Like I said, I used a common nickname for Sam "BFS" and not with any malice.

    I certainly wasn't trying to offend.

    On the bright side, it appears Admin is:

    1. taking on board feedback and we might see less archaic rules, and
    2. The potential conflict of Mods who post as fans on some forums being bias in dealing with other posters, being reigned in.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    With respect, you are complaining about a Warning you Correctly received in November 2021 - it is literally written in the Charter not to use it but you thought differently - in that regards I concur, you are currently wasting your time.

    As per point 1 - there is an Annual Soccer Feedback thread for you and any other poster there, to give your Feedback - which has been acted upon and the Charter changed in the past. If that is not enough for you, so be it - it seems perfectly acceptable for other posters up to now.

    As per point 2 - where a conflict exists, report it and let the Other Mods/CMods/Admins deal with it.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Strangely the Charter states:

    "Nicknames like whisky nose, fat Spanish waiter, Fat Sam, Fat Frank, Maureen, and similar is abuse.

    Calling Andy Gray or Pat Dolan names is abuse."

    Who wrote this????

    When I write BFS in my innocent head I think of it being like BFG…

    Ironically, it was you who posted in response the words Big Fat Sam, not me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I'm afraid your innocent head should tell you Big Fat Sam and Fat Sam are not tollerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Well, this thread took an unexpected turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    But I wouldn't dream or ever posting "Fat Sam" on here.

    Now you are stating you know how my head works despite earlier when asking if you thought any other Poster would have taken offence from the term BFS, you said you couldn't comment on how they think.

    Why does the current Charter in the year 2024 make reference specifically to abuse of Pat Dolan and Andy Gray not being tolerated?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    BFS is an acronym for Big Fat Sam - if you cannot accept that, there really is nothing more I can do for you.

    But it is Blatantly Obvious in fairness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I'm sorry you were so offended and had to get your yellow card out.

    Keep up the important work 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Lads, you know you're being dicks in the don't be a dick thread?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    You broke a fairly simple rule in the Soccer Forum and were correctly Warned for it.

    A poor attempt to make it about me being offended by the post was exactly that, poor.

    And yes, I will keep up the important work, thank you.

    Glad we cleared that up.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,938 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,139 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    A lot of drama over football which is not relevant to the thread.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Mod warning:

    The topic of discussion isn't the Soccer charter, so get it back on topic.

    If you need to discuss the Soccer charter, then PM the soccer mods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I think it is relevant in terms of the site losing members due to perceived over moddiñg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't know if it has been accepted that the issue with modding is 'over modding'.

    The reason I've stopped using the site is significantly modding related but with respect to these points rather than 'over modding' as such.

    • Modding inconsistency
    • Modding being initiated and implemented solely as an action of a flagged post
    • Modding being applied without context
    • The application of 'don't being a dick' rule being entirely subjective.
    • Dispute resolution process (escalation through CMod's) flat out not working
    • Militant application on some threads, none on more.
    • Lack of modding process application visibility
    • Lack of knowledge of process amongst mods
    • Moderation stifling conversations that may be unpleasant to some degree, but are happening in society and there should be an effort for them to take place on a platform like Boards rather than just shutting them down

    In terms of resolving the biggest issue, which is the moderation that everyone is talking about, there has been action taken on 'back seat modding' for quite a while but maybe having more of the community able to participate in such behaviour to help keep conversations or individuals in check without having the finger of wrath pointed at them for doing so would actually lead to more of a self policing environment which could help make better use of the few mods left around here than what is currently happening. Just a thought.

    I dropped in to the thread a few times the last few days but didn't contribute but wanted to see the flow of the conversation. This did have me shaking my head.

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    The single poster in question at that point had finally been banned for implying that mods were circling the wagons. To be threadbanned for this, given the thread, really had me thinking that this in itself is a synopsis of the problem with the site. I didn't necessarily agree with the comment or sentiment, but was it ban worthy? No, in my view (even if there had been some other comments that proceeded it) and the ban and reaction on the thread to it really only served to suggest the poster had come quite close to some degree of truth in their post.

    There was conversation here during the week that young people are most definitely not using discussion boards, and maybe that is the case, but if it is, it doesn't make sense to be trying to moderate like chaperones at a teenage disco in 1970's Ireland where the tiniest bit of inappropriate behavior sees the lights turned on and the perpetrators marched out of there. Or it being an environment where the 'chaperones' cannot be questioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And modding is a big part of me stepping away as I have done, but there are other reasons.

    Loss of fun features (top liked posts daily), Ask Me Anything threads, what seems to be zero attempt to encourage conversations from the site operators/controllers or whatever is the correct term. There just doesn't seem to be any threads now that there used to be in the past which I would find X number of days in and spend an enjoyable couple of hours in reading from the start. Things like this were a big part of what brought me to the site. Being able to see who had thanked a post is something I miss since the changeover and I think makes me feel less engaged or that I have less in common with some posters than I used to experience in the past.

    I do think the site could initiate and promote such conversations at fixed times to help them build traction. Or a dedicated day, night or period of time identified in advance and advertised on a tab on the home page where a particular topic or question is discussed for example in the same way that match threads are obviously centered around a particular event at a particular time.

    One of the things I haven't seen on previous editions of these threads, or on this one (but maybe I've missed it) is contributions from particular site influencers (Beasty/Admins/Mike) on what they are doing to try to promote activity or ideas that they have around this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,640 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Excellent post @ Tell me how



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭con747


    Another example of a thread just being closed with no explanation.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    A blind man on a galloping horse could see why that thread was closed. It was a consumer issue which had been asked and answered and then went way off course. It was in Consumer Issues, not After Hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,558 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    The single poster in question at that point had finally been banned for implying that mods were circling the wagons. To be threadbanned for this, given the thread, really had me thinking that this in itself is a synopsis of the problem with the site. I didn't necessarily agree with the comment or sentiment, but was it ban worthy?

    He wasn't banned for that post. He was warned for it, after the moderators had ignored a lot of his previous comments. He had already received a warning on thread for derogatory comments. He was banned for this 3rd action on the thread for commenting on moderator action. A pretty standard action across all forums.

    He was an excellent example of low-level trolling that posters have complained about. A lot of his comments were ignored so he had to keep pushing trying to get a reaction.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The funny thing is, the "Best Of" tab is visible via Chrome on my (android) phone, but when you tap on the tabs, there is nothing there.

    I can't find it at all on my computer? I assume it's yet another vanilla thing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Nah, this poster was pushing his luck and took it a bit too far.

    Insidious low level trolling is a lot more sophisticated than that.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,558 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Well then users are going to have get on board with moderators to clamp down on it. Don't engage and report to moderators. Include links to a few specific posts etc. Moderators can also be PMd rather than reporting posts if necessary. Reporting posts is the standard practice and will draw a moderators attention to particular posts. But if you recognise a pattern with a poster composing a PM with links/quoted posts etc will make it easier to look in to too.

    Funny though how one poster sees the mod action against the poster on this thread as being a bit heavy handed and that there was some truth in the "circling wagons" comment, while another poster sees it as he was pushing his luck and went too far. I suppose that could also feed into complaints about inconsistent mods though. 2 people saw exactly the same interaction on this thread and came away with 2 opposite opinions on the situation. Posters will differ. So will mods.

    I'm not going to deny inconsistent moderation happens. I know it does. There are variables in everything. People vary. Posters vary. Moderators vary. Some posters will have a background, some won't. Some "regulars" might be warned while newer poster will be given a chance. Some "regulars" might get away with a bit more if they've a reputation for being generally a good poster where a new poster might be warned if they come straight in with a flaming post. It's not a one size fits all. In general moderators are (or at least should be) trying to keep the forum from descending into a sht show where everyone is just arguing.

    There has always been, and will always be complaints against moderators. Sometimes they are justified. Sometimes they are not. Posters in general have been excellent on this thread and all the voices will need to be listened to. There are some very valid points being raised. But I'm afraid the site will never please everyone. That's impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭con747


    It doesn't mean a simple explanation can't be attached. I just noticed a moderator managed to post in the thread over 8 hours after it was closed down somehow.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    deleted, no evidence of mod post.



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