Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Are you going to speak on everyones behalf on that? How do you know what someone might deem offensive or hateful, you can't even define it.

Which aren't as bad as each other? Police are there to investigate crimes, I believe every crime reported should be examined to see whether or not there is enough evidence to prosecute, if not they should be closed.

Nothing too controversial there.

That's ridiculous. It's giving burglars a free for all now to break into other people's premises. That's how vigilante behaviour starts when people feel they have to take the law into their own hands to protect themselves because the authorities can't be arsed. Horrible feeling coming home to find some scumbag has broken in and robbed the place and been through all your stuff.

How can someone be this naive?

Police DO already pick and choose what to deal with (they don't always investigate), because they have limited resources. You are also avoiding my point about which crimes aren't as bad as each other, I noticed.

I will make it simple, police resourcing is already limited (for most police forces around the world), if the choice was between investigating (let's use that word for you) a road traffic accident or a reported "hate speech" infringement, which would you pick?

Please answer this question directly, don't avoid it. It is a very simple question.

Oh boy…

Are you really trying to tell me that if there were those 2 incidents, one being a traffic accident and one a complaint about hate speech, they wouldn't prioritize one over the other at that moment?

Where did I say ignore though? You brought that word in, I said prioritize, I do hope you know there is a difference…

You see it in America too. Certain cities have literally said they won't investigate shoplifting if the items are below a certain value.

Precisely, so if any “hate speech” complaints came in..they’d be great as they should, last and very low priority.

Just imagine the Garda knocking at your door, “did you say something hateful the other week/month/year?”, “no, it wasn’t me”, “…ok thanks”.

Such a great use of Garda time and resourcing.

Police DO already pick and choose what to deal with (they don't always investigate), 

This is what you claimed.

Then this,

if the choice was between investigating (let's use that word for you) a road traffic accident or a reported "hate speech" infringement, which would you pick?

Choosing one, implies not choosing/ignoring the other.

Now it is 'prioritise' which would definitely be a better choice of word. However very few police have time in their hands to prioritise anything.

( road traffic collisions, with no injuries, are not generally investigations, but there is paperwork involved)

Now, if you're trying to suggest that police are extremely stretched and over worked, under resourced and time poor, then I agree 100%.

I have never heard the argument against legislation because there are not enough Gardai!

Hold your horses there, you'll note that the word "ignore" is nowhere to be found in my posts, like I said, you introduced that into this, not me.

You haven't heard the argument against the legislation because there are not enough Gardai…are you REALLY sure about that?

No it's not plausible that it will go before the courts easily

A It has to be investigated by Gardai

B It has to go before the DPP

C It has to meet the threshold in the bill on what is prosecutable - Minister James Browne was very clear on this matter in the Dail debates

Only the most severe types of speech that constitute incitement to violence or hatred would be criminalised under the Bill. Discussion of protected characteristics, including criticism of matters relating to protected characteristics, is not a crime unless it crosses the line into incitement to violence or hatred. This remains a high bar and is not something into which people would just fall.

The argument is that all sorts of things that are not severe criminal violations will go before the courts. This wont happen and you agree this is correct. 👍🏽

You just agreed what I said is correct 👍🏽

right but how do the gardai know what is to be investigated? Assuming everything is investigated how do they know what fits the bill for this law - ie when do they start enforcing a complaint and taking it further.