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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Yeah all the reports about those two are from 2023 - I guess there’s an alibi or alibis that need thorough investigating that that might take time - there may be many people to interview or reinterview . Theres no crime scene, no remains - so if ultimately their “stories” hold then that may be that for the moment unless someone comes forward with some “information” .

    What’s promising here is at least there’s potentially a clearer understanding of what may have happened and why - getting the evidence to back that up obviously is problematic - contrasting this with Sophie’s murder, I don’t think anyone knows, not least the Gardai, what happened or why it happened -I feel that this latest investigation should do a complete u turn away from Bailey and concentrate on other theories and evidence - if found to be baseless then fine but at least provide the reassurance that avenues other than Bailey have been explored with the same rigour Bailey was



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Ok, at the top of haddington rd. I could never understand why he would choose that road to get to serpentine ave - down baggot st and right onto ballsbridge would be much shorter, especially in the rain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Sorry ,I could be wrong as it was a long time ago,I thought at the time the CCTV should him using the ATM,



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,048 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    The garda map shows he arrived at the hilton party at 9 and was at the ACC atm near the hilton at half 12. Did he withdraw money there and go back to the hilton party? If he didn't go back to the party where was he for 2 hours as he didn't arrive at Buck whaleys until 2.30.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Trevor Deely had gone to an ATM earlier in the evening. Possibly to get cash for the bar at the party or nightclub that he was attending.

    The last confirmed sighting of him was by a bank CCTV at the corner of Haddington Rd. The premises is a Milano pizzeria now. Trevor might have turned left there to go down to a local all-night Spar shop for eg cigarettes. Or he may have gone that way for reasons unknown. OR he may not have turned down that road, but continued on towards Ballsbridge.

    The one place he did not go was into the canal; a canal is not a river. It does not flow, is sealed at both ends by a lock, and in any case they close for winter and there is no through traffic. Forget the canal.

    The river Dodder is another story altogether; on a night of heavy rain and high tide, this river is capable of a frightening flood. The mystery would be how he got into it - there's big walls at Ballsbridge!

    I know this area very well; went to school there, and later lived there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭oneilla


    There's laneways that run roughly parallel to Baggot St.

    In one of old threads years ago some of us thought there was a shadow created under a street light perhaps by the umbrella. (This was at the very end of the Haddington Rd footage.)

    I've often wondered about his route too but I think it's possible he walked those laneways.

    Other people posted they thought that Haddington Rd on a windy wet night would be better as the houses and trees would provide a small bit of cover. And there was the stuff about maybe going to the 24hr Spar for cigarettes



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Read a lot of reports and it's easy to see why people might think TD fell in the canal - it runs along behind percy place at the back of haddington rd. There's houses, apartments and office buildings on percy place until huband bridge but the canal banks are easily accessible around there. You're spot on about the locks though and the dodder bridge.

    The bank had offices there in percy place too coincidentally. The car hire pick-up & return place on haddington rd might have been open all night years ago, its hertz now but think it used to be avis or europcar. Shame they didnt have cctv. Even the extra few metres of road might have helped the investigation.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Was "Avril Lavigne" , that one with the skateboard who threw a smoothie at Varadkar ever identified?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Yeah, but no charges were pressed. Politically, a trial would be a no-win situation for Varadkar.

    He had garnered sympathy for being the victim of this idiot but a trial could turn her into a martyr. If these attacks became a regular practice, there would be a serious crack-down but up to now it’s just crack-pots.


    Of course, this nonsense bears no comparison with the cases we are discussing on this thread.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/7035372/woman-throws-smoothie-leo-varadkar-charges/



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    The murder of Emer O’Loughlin was 19 years ago. I never heard about it til this week. I don’t know how there hasn’t been more attention to this terrible crime and effort to find John Griffiin and his enablers.

    This podcast on it is worth a listen. The family hasn’t given up hope of justice for Emer.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    The "unsolved mystery" in this case being, where is John Griffin?

    DID he jump over the cliffs on that Aran island? Body never found, but that is inconclusive - they don't always show up.

    Did he sneak away to some new life elsewhere? Never been located, if so.

    It doesn't look like too much of a mystery what happened to poor Emer though; that appears fairly clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    There was a very credible sighting of him in Morocco in the last few years. Who let him sign out of psychiatric care? How’d he get from mobile home on the morning of the fire to Galway City? Why did he travel back to Inis Mor under a fake name?

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    RE: John Griffin if he's still alive he's the kind of character who you'd imagine would find it hard to stay out of trouble and at some point be arrested for some misdemeanor and his true identify come to light. A



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    renewed appeal this week for information on this couple /

    Conor and Sheila Dwyer were last seen on April 30, 1991

    Whilst there’s always been a theory that their car entered a river, and essentially if enough time and effort was put in we’d find it, from the wordings within the article, something tells me there’s more to this story than we’re been told.


    https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/gardai-in-fresh-appeal-for-help-to-solve-33-year-old-mystery-of-missing-couple/a2000408437.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Agreed. Cars don’t disappear so easily. If they drove into a river, it would have surfaced during a dry summer (yeah, we’ve had a few in the past 30 years!) . Someone made sure their car never turned up.

    It reminds me of a totally unrelated disappearance mentioned earlier in this thread - Alpho O’Reilly of RTÉ who was last seen filling his car at a petrol station in Wicklow. Some thought he drove it into the sea. I say it would have washed up by now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I mean it does happen - cars lost to a river for a long time - a recent case in America where a dude with sonar or whatever found a car from decades ago with 3 kids who went missing when out for a drive .

    This article though - “if we could just fine the car….” or words to that effect - I think they believe the car is hidden deliberately somewhere in Ireland - and why this public appeal? Why not hire in proper underwater equipment for say 1 week and search the river near their home at points where it was possible to enter from the road ? It’s clearly a definite line of enquiry



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    From reading the article it definitely doesn't sound like the Guards are looking into any bodies of water/rivers for the car. Under a tarp in a shed somewhere really for all this time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    No it doesn’t - definitely more to this than were been led to believe - then all this “no one in the locality will talk” sort of thing - most strange



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Caquas


    That’s impressive detective work by the diver in Tennessee but I think it’s Duelling Banjos up there - there’s really little comparison with Irish rivers. I think an Irish diver would be wasting their time on this case. But who knows?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/us/youtube-scuba-diver-missing-teens.html



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    It's a really really distinctive too. The parts in the article about parts of the car or engine block turning up is very peculiar, if you were looking to keep a car hidden then do not be selling it off bit by bit to multiple people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    A check on howmanyleft.co.uk shows only 10 Toyota Cressida's left on the road in the whole of the UK so Ireland may have even fewer. A lot of bits are likely interchangeable with Corolla's though when it comes to spare parts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I remember my parents talking about the Dwyer disappearance when I was a kid and there definitely is a silence in the local area about it back then and now for whatever reason.
    I highly doubt the car is still around, it would have been quietly crushed by now if anyone was hiding it.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Yes- article on the car below which also mentions 10 (2022 article) .

    Many models had a 2 litre engine and some were automatic - so a powerful enough car for its day -point being if you lost control for whatever reason near water


    https://mag.toyota.co.uk/do-you-remember-the-toyota-cressida/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭robwen




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Was a very well put together program, incredibly sad for the Mother and the family as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,291 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    It may have been posted here before but another man went missing in Fermoy in 1990 and it took over 20 years to find his car.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20221705.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,170 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I wonder if there are good technology devices that could pin point areas of interest that might indicate a large object , for further exploration - maybe its needle in a haystack stuff but there’s only certain places in let’s say the locality for starters that a car could enter the water unnoticed and disappear without trace - they could start there -



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,291 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    There's a guy on YouTube who used radar on rivers and lakes and he often finds cars that have been missing for years.



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