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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Mod note: this thread has run it's course closing now.

    Mod note: this thread is hugely popular but we are closing it anyway because it's causing us too much work.

    Mod note: thread has deviated from original post slightly so it's being closed.

    Mod note: don't necro old threads despite the fact that the people who posted there will still get notified and can still respond.

    Mod note: no complaining about mods.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    For the record: Regarding Reported posts. 100s of posts can be reported in day. Moderators do not just action a post based on reports. Just because a post is reported doesn't automatically mean it warrants warning. In at least 50% of the cases a moderator will decide no action is needed.

    So on one hand we have complaints of heavy-handed moderation and on the other we have posters reporting posts and complaining that the moderators aren't taking enough action.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I haven’t seen Furze99’s post expressing a degree of admiration for Enoch Burke, nor the posts of any of the others banned on that thread, but in your opinion, were any of them banned just for expressing their opinion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The Enoch Burke thread is as good an example as any of one of the issues that boards has. There is a long list of thread banned posters on page 1 and the one thing they had in common was expressing some sort of understanding, tolerance, sympathy for the situation that the Burkes and Mr.Burke are in.

    The prevailing tone on that thread is one of ridiculing, belittling, hating towards the Burkes. So anyone who differed even mildly was hounded off it and banned. So what's left is an echo chamber of those who just want to pile on Enoch Burke and his family. With the result that the thread died a death. Extraordinarily it is/ was actually one of those threads that could be a real source of legal problems for boards, if the Burkes have kept tabs on it. Some outrageous stuff was posted there.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Would you like to expand? Or just throw out a one liner with no discussion?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    I've received a good peppering of warnings myself over the years since 2009. 4 decent skin mods though.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I haven't seen the posts, or even read the thread so I'm afraid I can't answer. Vanilla doesn't make it easy to go back and see deleted posts. It is up to Furze99 to appeal the warning/ban if they feel it was unfair.

    In general posters don't get warned for simply expressing an opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    There’s no saving it. Times have moved on. These type of platforms are dying out everywhere. They did themselves no favours with the transition, it just accelerated the decline. The site is still useful for the odd item, but the quality of what is here has nosedived. It’s sad to see the place’s reputation now. It seems like a lot of the new discussions are driven by head the balls/cranks and reregs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,674 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I always find these complaints about moderation gas. Nothing ever changes.

    People were complaining about 'heavy handed moderation' when the site was at its peak.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you things haven’t improved even though it is obvious the posters are deserting?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    That's not the contradiction you think it is. And conveniently ignores some posters outlining that they're being targeted for their views no matter how they express their points.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did, wholly and irreversibly, around same sex adoption.

    Said that I was unsure that it was in the best interest of the child, for societal issues that child would encounter.

    I was, politely yet forcibly, given reams of fact checked research into why I was wrong and that led to me completely changing my viewpoint.

    Edit: completely coincidentally this popped up as a "memory" post on Facebook

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    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    What have I got to do with old threads? 😂

    Someone mentioned 'Soccer' being hidden, well unfortunately that's one of the (not so) fun drawbacks of the Vanilla move, you can't have private access only forums which are viewable to all they have to go under the 'Groups' option.

    On the whole 'the site is dying' thing, it's just the way that people using the internet has changed really (Vanilla being absolute dirt has accelerated the decline mind you). I posted something similar to this on another thread recently:

    All the young ones are on Instagram or TikTok following the latest influencer nowadays or watching YouTube for similar. They don't give a **** about 'Leo whatshisface' other than what 30 second clip they see. Forum based discussion doesn't interest them at all from my experience.

    Imagine a world where you had 'Boards Live' where people could post voice and video messages in real time... *shudders*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    I like boards. Been here since 2011 but have started posting a lot more in the 18 months. The likes of the DIY / Cars / computers where you ask a question and you get quality answers, perfect for me.

    I was thread banned of one thread and I thought it was harsh. I guess when you are in the CA topic you need to play it a certain way.

    Overall it works for me.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I got a warning for asking if the usual anti sinn fein brigade would condemn Jeffrey Donaldson the way they so quickly and vocally condemn anything they percieve to be negative about Sinn feinn. That was on the Donaldson thread. A fair enough question i thought.

    Im banned from that thread now which is probably fair enough.

    Its hard to know what you can and cant say these days even after reading the warnings. Inconsistent modding to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    They're not getting banned or warned on this thread because they're entitled to post a complaint and outline their perception on a feedback thread. It's not the same as on a general thread elsewhere. So, that point is disingenuous. Some posters are clearly saying their views expressed, no matter how objective in tone, are targeted. I would be opposite opinion of them on what they're posting, but I can see their point.
    You're second point is loads of posters don't get warned or banned so the warned or banned ones must deserve it. Absolutely no nuance or complexity to that point. It seems to be a paragraph orchestrated to repeat the term dick to prick at people getting warnings or bans. So, "edgy." One mod celebrates 60 replies and over a thousand views… and yet that would suggest the vast, VAST majority view but don't post… perhaps that might suggest something on the figures of warnings in comparison to users.
    Your third point is the world is different. Just a load of ambiguous bollocks again without addressing anything. Apparently, you know we have more angry people in the world. But maybe you really do know because you seem to be one of them. You love using the word dick. But sure look, you didn't insult a poster 🙄
    Considering you've gone out of your way to target some posters without tagging them, using derogatory terms like 'edgy' and using the term 'dick' three times in four paragraphs, will you be changing your name to Big Bag of Dicks?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    I don't know how anyone can say Reddit is better than boards, Reddit is an absolute cesspit of a place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,674 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    If moderation was heavy enough to be complained about back in 2006 when this was one of irelands biggest websites then it's not the cause of current receding numbers.

    Nothing lasts forever. The world moves on. Boards will eventually just be another casualty like Digg, ask Jeeves and MySpace. I'm amazed it's lasted as long as it has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Enoch thread is a great example in a way. A lot of those that got banned were trying to spin the thread into another anti-trans thread. Which despite Enoch (and those threadbanned) desperately tried to claim was an irrelevant point to what was actually going on/being punished (Enoch's behaviour).

    This lack of comprehension was then blamed on mods (just like the Burkes rambling blame about Judges being to blame rather than Enoch)



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You're second point is loads of posters don't get warned or banned so the warned or banned ones must deserve it. Absolutely no nuance or complexity to that point

    The same way that there's no nuance or complexity to the posts here - your own included - about Mod bias and certain posters being picked on purely for having an opinion. No poster is picked on just for having an opinion. There is always "nuance and complexity".

    I am speaking in general terms. I am not discussing individual cases because 1 - I do not have knowledge of every single warning or ban on the site and 2 - it would be incredibly unfair to pick out a particular poster and discuss any action taken against them.

    So this is a general thread, about Boards.ie in general. If you would like to discuss a very specific action, warning or ban then you are perfectly entitled to do so, and we can look at the nuances and complexities there. The channels are available. And, much to the disappointment of many of the regular cranks, a significant number of appeals do get overturned. A decision won't be overturned just because the poster thinks they're hard done by. But decisions have been overturned after discussion and agreement with all parties.

    The question posed is how can Boards save itself - yet has just turned into another moderator bashing thread. Have you any suggestions how Boards can save itself?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I have been here since around 2003. I find boards very useful, and I've got a lot out of it. I like it overall. I think there's a lot of factors causing the undeniable decline, most of which are just part of changing modern times and different ways of interacting now.The new site definitely caused a lot of damage, though.

    Moderation has always been a bone of contention, and I don't know if it would ever be possible to find the perfect balance. I don't think it's fair to just dismiss gripes about modding as being from cranks and troublemakers, though - there are fair points made regularly in feedback threads that are just dismissed. I have never received an infraction or ban (just one on-thread warning ever, I think). So I've never had a conflict with mods, but even I feel moderation can be a bit stifling at times. In particular, I just don't get closing threads for spurious reasons about duplication, arbitrarily deeming the topic pointless, or restricting posts from prolific thread-starters. Especially at a time of dying content. But I'm still here, I still like boards and there's really nothing else like it out there for an Irish context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭yagan


    I agree about Reddit, but even at its height of popularity I found the after hours forum on this site to be as bad a cesspit.

    I never understood how people could get so invested in emotional arguing with strangers on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,746 ✭✭✭Allinall


    What a load of waffle that actually says mothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    I get the whole point of ‘don’t be a dick’ - that is sage advice, but I would also say that there are some who should stop looking for ways to be offended on their own behalf and on behalf of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    And about the Donaldson thread, the whole business is in a different jurisdiction, so it's very hard to understand being banned from discussing it in an Irish as opposed to a UK forum. Mad altogether to think we're able to discuss and even disparage Trump in the US, Putin in Russia, but not something happening in the UK.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,893 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    ”Have you any suggestions how Boards can save itself?”

    Yes! And I sent my ideas across to the sole owner of Boards some time ago but none of them were even discussed let alone trialled.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    depends on the forum. These days i action 100% of the reported posts from the fitness forum. There’s about 1 per month.

    I banned someone for the first time in 5 years a couple of weeks ago. It was after warning multiple people for not arguing with moderation in the thread and politely asking for PMs.

    We aren’t all trigger happy and drunk on power. I’d say very few of us are. If you’re being treated harshly, it’s probably because you were being a dickhead.

    Having said that, I have stopped posting in AH and Current affairs because it feels pointless. Impossible to have a debate.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    To do with site income versus potential legal costs. Big sites can afford to take a lot of risk owing to the sheer amount of advert income they enjoy.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    Before I looked at the head of your post I thought for a short moment if was valid 🤣



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The basic rule of "Don't be a dick" still stands.

    But does it also apply to mods? Because I've seen some mods behaving like absolute dicks and not just on the forums they moderate.

    Surely mods should be expected to behave in a manner that upholds the standards they are supposed to enforce on the rest of us?

    Aside from that, as already stated, my biggest issue with the moderation on boards is the hit and miss inconsistency of how it is done.

    Some posts/posters warned or sanctioned on thread while others saying the same thing or behaving worse in the same thread, go completely ignored by the mods.

    It's frustrating to the point of giving up on some forums completely.



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