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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah i have two warnings on that thread. Mod has lost the run of himself.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, bring back DeVore?



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm reregged from years ago but not of the banned variety.

    I quit all social media a long time back, when in an upheaval of a personal time. Completely lost access to the account. It's still there, taunting me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The "legal mumbo jumbo" prevents boards getting sued. Any comment on boards by a poster that is published becomes their responsibility.

    But I agree with you overall debate has being stifled on boards. I would surmise it was because the mods have been sick and tired of a cohort of posters acting the maggot. So they went draconian. In some threads the mods are extremely strict and do not even open debate with posters.

    To be honest at this stage I think a lot of moderators are like Leo Varadkar (especially the older ones), going through the motions. Disillusioned with their posts and wondering why they are still there.

    The impression I get from the higher up site admins is that they look down on posters, and almost engage out of sufferance rather than actually having to do their job.

    To be honest I think boards.ie needs a root and branch clear out. The new site which only half works, and has a terrible search function is symptomatic of the malaise.

    I suspect many people who run boards.ie have been there far too long. They have lost the vibrancy and spark. I get the impression it used to be a passion for many. Now it is just a chore they have to suffer. All that bitchiness and sniping, can eventually wear away a person.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are we allowed to discuss MCD now?

    🤣

    Legal restrictions have been here since the site's most popular days so wouldn't blame that.

    Looking in, as someone who only read the posts for a long period:

    1. Rise of social media hurt but also group messaging seemed to hit hard.
    2. Purchase by Distilled. Went from a passionate enterprise to a business driven one
    3. Vanilla. Place has never recovered
    4. People have aged out

    Conversly: moderation has gone very light touch. There is a much more polsrised atmosphere in many fora, with comments freely posted which would have resulted in bans previously.

    Place is more openly right wing also. If that's a symptom of the country society or just that it's so quiet here that existing right wingers are proportionally over-represented now, don't know. This place used to range from a hefty centre right population to left of centre (with a smattering of far left), now there is a hard right element barely staying inside the rules. It's, honestly, disconcerting with how far it's moved

    One suggestion, though. Take a hit to pride and kill/merge dead fora. There are far too many graveyards which made sense back at boards height. Right now they just accentuate the issue

    Edit: I actually think that purchase, in bold above, really hurt. It felt, overnight, that moderation was hamstrung and more controversial/emotive takes were encouraged

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Numbers were already declining fast in Soccer before the glorious move to Vanilla, but obviously not declining fast enough for Boards, so they hid it. One of the (comparatively) busier forums just put in a cupboard down a big long corridor with the sign for it made for ants.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's a soccer forum? /s

    I always though that having a single soccer forum was a mistake. Place was always toxic.

    It was busy enough to have a general forum and sub-fora for the big english teams. Kepp the rabble sequestered in their own spaces



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Gunnar Bewildered Top


    Any idea how many moderators are in the Soccer Forum these days?

    I've been banned from there for 2 or 3 years after being told I'd have my posting privileges removed for 6 months.

    Any time I ask about being allowed back in it's "We'll have to discuss it among the moderators" carry on.

    The whole of Boards barely has a mod so how many are in the Soccer Forum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Yeah not sure, even when there was loads of them, half didn't do any actual modding anyway.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    The things that help keep Reddit ticking over will never be allowed on Boards. Porn, Piracy and Political extremist echo chambers.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,955 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Not bad for one thread in a forum that's dead on it's feet. Imagine the busier forums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    There’s a rake of posters who “blame” the mods for their own inability to follow the rules of the forum/site. They claim it’s because they hold the “wrong” opinions but, in reality, it’s because they can’t express their terrible opinions without being uncivil, attacking the poster or going way over the top.

    Sure there’s some who post mostly in this forum, complaining constantly about the way the site works now, vanilla, the search function, cookie notifications and anytime the site is down for more than 2 minutes. They’ve hardly posted in other parts of the site but have been ever present in here.

    Seems like it’s mostly “legacy” desktop users who have the majority of problems with the site, and are quite vocal about it, while the rest of us just get on with it and make the best of what’s here.

    The, near constant, abuse of moderators should not be tolerated. The number of threads set up just to “have a go” at them has been excessive. It’s a thankless job that has gone unappreciated for far too long.

    Would it be possible to remove the “Dispute Resolution” forum? Far too much time wasted there on terrible, terrible, posters who, from what I can see, are only there to waste as much mod/admin time as possible.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,003 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    For whatever reasons - the switch to Vanilla, the dreadful moderation, the lack of new blood as younger people don't join, people just getting more grouchy as they get older - things are as I said about 9 months ago on a similar feedback thread:

    The ratio of decent poster:dickhead poster shifted in favour of the
    dickhead, and has never righted itself, and likely never will



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    In defence of Boards, taking Reddit as an example their usage based is the US and the world. And while some conservations might be begun with intent, if it should stray into any of the culture-wars disputed zones you might easily get downvoted to oblivion or just banned from the forum outright without the appeals mechanism that Boards has in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tbf its a classic trope of pretty much every forum that you'll have people constantly moaning about moderation. Especially funny when said person has recieved multiple bans from multiple moderators across multiple threads and they still insist its the moderator to blame rather than themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I miss the good friday pub thread!

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭sbs2010


    Get Mr Feigelin back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,895 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I like Boards just fine. My only social media now. Used to be on FB and Linkedin but they are silly.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Gunnar Bewildered Top


    Mr. F has been back numerous times.

    I think he's still active but we're not allowed accuse others of being WUMs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Dammo


    Very frustrating to use on phone. Moving to the next page lands you at the bottom and you have to scroll to the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    People absolutely whinging about getting banned by mods.

    They act like they get banned for a small grammatical error. The reality is always that they're being unnecessarily combative over a sustained period of time, being obtuse or posting flagrant misinformation about something. General attempts to derail discussions or be uncivil in the pursuit of same, and they're almost always given a chance before being hit with a ban. For the other times than almost always, there is even a forum to discuss why one has been banned.

    Does this stop them clutching their pearls and crying 'police state!' when (rightly) banned? Does it fúck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Some mods are excellent, some are good, some not so much and some are sh*t."

    That about sums up the modding in my humble experience of it.

    I might also add that several moderators seem to act mainly on reports from other posters, that's the main trigger to issue a warning or threadban etc. This is quite open to abuse by those who hit the flag or report function on the slightest pretence.

    Personally I've never reported a post, no matter how abusive or trolling the other poster is. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen then get out. I'd only do so if it was clear that the content was grossly dangerous or if it clearly caused a legal problem for boards. Otherwise best let it roll. I've been quite disappointed in those that I suspect of reporting my odd post, to the point of despising them.

    One of the things that does annoy me though, is that there are threads in which posters are clearly and openly trolling & baiting. There are other moderators reading and participating in these threads and yet it all passes by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    More than a bit and sure don't we have a good idea who Bobson was fomerly!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭thegame983


    When every second post is by the same clown who has 50k+ post to his name you know it's best not to bother engaging or reading the thread.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    reddit is a joke, constantly reported for anything people don't want to hear, the same o'd story, mods side with some and pick on others. a ban on redit you can never get back no matter what you do, sign in in another email even with a vPN and it's only a matter of time before their highly advanced software blocks access again, you get a message you've been banned for trying to avoid a previous ban etc etc. if this is some advance form of Ai then we better watch out.

    it's the same story, block speech you don't want to hear so that you can freely say what you want because you think it's the only speech that should be heard. this is communism at the highest only much more advanced. next we'll have an intranet not internet !

    So as bad as boards is for blocking speech, redit is a hell of a lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's simply not always the case. For example I was banned off the Enoch Burke thread for simply expressing a degree of admiration for the family. This was clearly enough to put the other posters there into paroxysms of rage and report me as upsetting them. What's wrong with expressing a degree of admiration?

    I'm banned off the immigration thread for merely asking if the views of one of the other very regular pro migrant posters were related to their employment. That's was a perfectly reasonable observation and ridiculous reason to ban.

    Neither of these offending posts were uncivil in any way or possible cause of legal difficulties.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Interesting to see the edgy posters who post "I'll probably get banned for this" not actually getting banned, or even warned! In general you're not going to get banned for expressing an opinion. Controversial or otherwise. The basic rule of "Don't be a dick" still stands. Although I believe a few years ago we had to stop using that phrase as it upset the sensibilities of some.

    The huge huge majority of posters on this site do not have a catalogue of warnings. Many have no warnings at all. Not even on thread nudges or PM to steer them in the right direction. The huge majority of posters are capable of having discussions without being a dick. If you are a poster who says "I'll probably get banned for this" then most likely you are a poster who regularly gets warnings because in general you're being a dick.

    The site is different to what it was 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 5 years ago. But the internet is different. The world is different. Attitudes are different. More people are more angry. And more angry people have very easy access to the internet!

    It is amusing to see posts every couple of years about how Boards.ie is dying and "will be shut down in a few months" though. Someday it might be. But for now it is still very much an active discussion board. Obvious by the number of people who continue to post here, even if just to complain about what a sht site it is 🤷🏻‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭yagan


    Thinking on it long term I do think there's actually a bright future for this forum in the nationwide context, but no forum will ever match its pioneering days. I saw a discussion somewhere stating that globally the highpoint of engagement in online forums like boards was around 2008, after that social media platforms like FB diluted local fora all over the world.

    In recent years I was finding myself posting less and less on reddit and then last year after the Hamas attack I made a reply on r/worldnews about consequences in which I stated if historical Israeli reactions were anything to go by then about 40 thousand Palestinians were going to die. The post was very matter of fact, a dry observation. I didn't use any invective or bias, it was a singular post so wasn't part of any in-thread drama, but merely stating a projection based on verified UN historical averages.

    I got site banned for a week for that comment. It left me felling very weary of the forum. I don't think I would have been banned for the same comment here, as this place has a linear memory that reddit doesn't. I'm sure there are many other regular users who will get turned off it in similar ways. Anytime I look at r/ireland it really is just the same daily discussions and little useful information.

    Reddit isn't a discussion forum. In ways it feel like the end of the internet rather the frontpage, similar in ways to how parents and grandparents turning up on FB killed it off for younger people.

    From a utilitarian point of view I've always gone to boards for information. We were debating about getting an EV in the last couple of years but while we never had to post asking about it as there were loads of useful information in the cars forum discussions to help us weigh up the pros and cons around our own driving needs. There's a few other boards forums that I trawl for information without posting, and I'm sure there's people who never log in who do the same.

    I would opine that sites like this have reached maturity, and those who love in-thread drama continue to find eachother across all forums while everyone else who just needs information gets that too.

    The internet is the greatest social communications revolution since the printing press, and that kicked off the reformation wars! Perhaps we're just in another phase of internet, the post early adaptor phase where the early enthusiasm and general cooperative pioneer spirit of a new venture is overtaken by the arrival of the rest of society with all its personal biases and dramas.

    For things that actually matter it's hard to beat Boards as a first stop query source.



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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    this post pretty much sums up how out of touch the Admins/some mods are with the goings on in the site.



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