Russia - threadbanned users in OP

All for the whim of a paedophile dictator who has to show the world he is tough to hide what he's embarrassed about in himself.

Jimmy Saville times 1000 with nukes.

I'd be all for the whole of the EU/ UK etc getting behind a massive attack on Putin's forces in Ukraine and Crimea, and driving them back deep into Russia, but not by using nukes. Thats a big black hole that could suck the whole world into it.

Indeed ,and I thought regime change was very much out of favour.

Sadly ,Russians have to create their own future and unless parts of the country are in open rebellion (and even then probably not) we should leave them to stew in the dysfunctional mess they have created for themselves.

That was the original plan when they invaded Ukraine and it is only because of the Ukrainians' own efforts to resist that we were almost shamed into giving them assistance.

This is popping up on de X .. same type of message. No main media article on this yet if true .. could be fake

Ministry of Interior of Belarus: Through Telegram, Belarusians began to receive messages with proposals to carry out terrorist attacks: to carry out shootings in shopping centers or to mine buildings.

Mutually assured destruction? or MAD not very encouraging is it? However, take this scenario with logic and without emotion..

Putin has threatened the West with nuclear destruction (already happened)

He has put his nuclear arms on high readyness (already happened)

Data from intelligence suggests Russia is preparing to fire their missiles soon (not happened yet) at this time most US anti submarine have a fix on the Russian missile subs.

The West launch an all out nuclear stealth attack on all Russian missile bases on land at the same time as the destruction of their fleet. Their capacity to retaliate is almost nil and many of the missile that are fired are shot down by US anti missile systems. Some will get through and though the West would get its beard singed the losses will be many orders less than waiting for the Russian madman to fire first..It may even save Russian civilian lives if the attack is targeted to missile sites mainly. Makes sense?

Yes it would be a fight for peace really. Better a once off limited destruction on one side that a massive exchange and a nuclear winter. Better a 50M to 100M tops dead than 2 billion dead?

An admission from Lukashenko

Luka better keep away from Windows lol

Sometimes I get the impression he is not as much a fan of Putin as he seems. Maybe he is waiting to see how things turn out and he'll cozy up to the west if Putin fails. lol.

You seem to think that the first thing Russia knows about the west’s launch is when the missiles hit. The fact is Russia will know the missiles are in the air for many minutes, giving them ample time to launch. That’s what M.A.D. is - you can launch but I can launch my retaliation before your missiles hit, thus killing every one.

Also what about their mobile launchers, missile submarines, tactical nukes. They have over 5000 nukes and you want to risk a % of these getting through?

It’s never going to happen. Nukes are a step too far for any major power. The closest we will ever get to nukes will be some terrorist using a dirty bomb.

Anyway other than France the West has a no first strike rule with nukes.

I understand. However it is logical really. who hits who first? General Turgidson's view in Dr Strangelove was correct only no one seemed to agree with him.