Assisted dying

That's an excellent summary, appreciate that. What's the process for selecting CA members, is it random like jury duty or do they ensure a range of genders, ages, ethnicity etc?

Not 100 miles away form what Canada are about to do

I know its annoying when people mention Canada. But it is a sign of how bad it can go

My understanding is that the people are chosen randomly but that they do so in such a way that they get a representative sample of the electorate with regards age, sex, uraban/rural etc

You can talk about all the other things the HSE needs to work on but you will also need to realise that the HSE can do more than one thing at a time. Saying the HSE can't do X until it does YZ is a terrible attitude to take.

Well suicide by train, you're involving a huge amount of innocent people. Train driver, witnesses, paramedics etc.

Suicide by doctor is dignified, and should be done humanely and peacefully.

Both same result but completely different aftermaths.

Additionally suicide is usually as a result of mental health, which is still very hard to get help for and understanding etc.

By doctor it's usually a physical pain/disability that's much easier to understand and diagnose. Plus usually the condition will only get worse.

But you know all this, so not sure why it needs further explanation.

Do you not understand what advanced state of decline means?

You clearly aren't aware of the process.

Think it through for a while longer than that took to type. Good gracious.

Don't want an assisted death? Don't have one.

I have sadly witnessed first hand in the immediate family how a terminal illness can play out. In old age but still.

The last weeks were terrible. At some point no food intake was possible anymore and they were kept alive with intravenous fluids. There was no hope of any turnaround just a very very slow and painful shutdown of one organ after another that dragged on for another 2, almost 3 weeks. The person had nothing to stay for only some painkillers/drug haze, the last week wasnt even responsive anymore. All I could do was talk to them thinking they may be able to hear me, tell them how much I loved them, tell them about my day. How that felt, there really aren't any words to describe it. I cant imagine what it must have felt for them.

Whatever about being incapacitated and being cared for etc. Nobody should have to go through something like this for the sake of it. It must have been hell. When they could still communicate they said they just wanted to go now.

It sounds terrible possibly callous, I dont know, but you wouldnt do it to a dog.

I dont want a loved one having an assited death just because they dont want to burden me either financially or through effort.

Your over simplistic view of this is just as immature as the ridiculous train suicide story.

Every sympathy for you. Been there myself and its not a great situation.

But i gotta pull up that comment on "wouldnt do it to a dog". People are talking about a life and death thing like its a no brainer. We shoupd not be so quick to introduce a something so final as if we were figuring out what to order on just eat.

The arguments against assisted suicide are valid and need to be taken seriously. What has happened in Canada is possibly a worst case scenario, but IS a reality. They want people with mental health issues to be able to avail. Is that what we want?

This needs to be put to the people because we are a democracy. Its too important to leave in the hands of bumbling nitwits who have no business running this country.

I'm not familiar with what happened in Canada nor did I post here because I wanted to engage as such. I fully understand this is a difficult subject but atm this is more a personal issue rather than a political issue for me. It's been not that long ago.

I came here to make the point that there are scenarios where it borders on cruelty to tease out another week or two or three for the sake of preserving life at all cost or whatever the rationale is here. Like in my relative's case there was no comeback, nothing to live for only pain and she wanted to go. Why make her stay for another 2, 3 weeks of utter misery?