VW ID.7

I think weight is an issue, the car is over 2 tonnes and if you look at the teardowns of the battery compartment there's a lot of added steel reinforcement which probably isn't needed

I get that VW are probably being extra conservative since it's their first time building EVs at scale, but there's probably a lot of potential weight saving there

Good breakdown from Battery Life on the price difference with the Tourer

Short version, the assistance package (Travel Assist, etc) and comfort pack (heated windshield, heated steering wheel, I think the comfor seats too) are now extras

So if you're in Germany and spec a Tourer to the same level as the saloon it's a few hundred more expensive

We'll have to wait for the Irish specs of course since we might end up with a different set up options (and mysteriously higher prices 😬)

I think it's a good idea to slightly reduce the base spec and get the price down, some of the extras in the ID.7 are pretty niche to long distance drivers only

I wonder if they made a 52kWh Tourer for around €40k would it sell well. You'd be down to Passat prices and in theory it should have better range than the ID.4 Pure

I dunno, I can see why some drivers would want the extra range, but from driving a 77kWh ID.4 long distances, I feel like it's enough range for 95% of drivers. So a (theoretically) more efficient ID.7 will be plenty

Of course then you're into the argument of why you'd bother to spend an extra €12k on an ID.7 Tourer when you could just get an ID.4

You'd want to hate SUVs a lot to justify that expense

I suspect the bigger battery saloon will be very much company car territory, for buyers who do a lot of travel for work and would use the extra range

So in that case which is better, paying the extra BIK for the bigger battery, or expensing more DC charging with the smaller battery version

We'll need some spreadsheets to figure this out

Looks like a price drop

GTX of the tourer announced (but not the saloon???)

Looks cool, I like the illuminated logos. Hopefully there's an after market version to fit to the ID.4

Keys specs are the same as the ID.4/5 GTX

The interior looks a bit crap in those colours IMO, the seats look like they have Aldi brand covers on them

Also ID.3 GTX announced the in the same video

Took one of these for a test drive today, lovely car feels very premium.

Do the massage seats come standard in the Pro plus which is the only spec available IE ?

Love the look of this and loving the positive reviews. Price is still a problem though. 50-60k for a family estate?! I guess I will buy one three years old at around 30k.

In the meantime, Chinese cars will wipe the floor clean, once again (unless EU brings in law to stop that flow).

Charging curve hovered around 140kW from 11-55% SOC, by around 60% it dropped to 110kW and now heading for 70% it’s just over 90kW. I did precondition for around 15 mins but it needed a further 33 mins according to the car. Using a 150kW charger.

At 90% it’s getting 53kW. Not bad at all. Mid charge, 18 mins for 100kms ish.

Thanks Mark. Based on the figures on the dash, the car has a range of about 420km if it's at 378km at 90%. Is that what you were expecting based on recent driving?

Sorry I commented *without seeing* later comments.

So a bit of math...

Heat pump costs €1,256

Gains 0.2 miles per kWh

Works out to about 1kWh/100km saved

Assuming Ionity prices of 73c/kWh, it'll take 1,720kWh or 172,000km to pay for the heat pump

What a f**king rip off, should be part of the standard equipment 🙄

Heat pump is not necessary either way, they could make it standard or not but in reality not many would be driving so far that it would even make a difference.

Bjorn was testing one recently which seemed to do some thermal scavenging of the battery when it was getting hot

That would be pretty handy for cold motorway trips and is presumably only enabled by the heat pump

I reckon the heat pump should just be standard, doesn't make any sense as a €1,200 extra

Saw one of these things in the flesh earlier. Fairly nonplussed.

Looks like VW may have missed the boat with the ID.7. If they drop prices by too much, they could just end up stealing ID.4/ID.5 customers.

Some main dealers don’t seem that interested in trying to sell new EV’s at the moment. A lot of them have overpriced used EV stock that they cannot shift.

i enquired last week about trading my id4 gtx against a id7 and the dealer said he'd look at it and never got back to me.. id say not a hope the numbers would stack up.. a year left on my pcp

hopefully by this time next year things will be more positive

That figure can't be right surely? Assuming a haircut of 10k on average a car, they'd have to have had 100 cars in stock to lose a million. Even at the eye-watering loss of 20k per car, you're still talking 50 cars. Would a small dealership take that many into stock?

Fully agree with that view. The rear is also very uninspiring but possibly the design brief was was to max out on boot capacity. The best that can be said about the design is that it is a big, presumably comfortable, mile muncher and a welcome respite from all the faux suvs currently out there

I wonder if that issue is the compromise associated with trying to accommodate increasingly larger batteries under the floor while also providing decent seat height/head room especially in the back. For instance the model 3 is low like a traditional saloon but seat height is low in the back resulting in people's knees arched upwards and no room under the front seats to stretch out your legs.

Probably that extra half metre in length for the M3 compared to the ID3. Difference in height is about 10cm.