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Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

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  • #6812
    skidmarkoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭skidmarkoner


    They are talking about electronic voting, you can have access to the results of a poll while it is on going.



  • #6813
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869018#Comment_121869018

    With online voting, the results are locked until it closes.

    It entirely compromises the process if anyone can see the results before voting is over.

    Its a really standard procedure.



  • #6814
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,254 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah right, in reality you have zero assurance in relation to an electronic vote.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #6815
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭bren2001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869314#Comment_121869314

    It’s complete speculation on your side and my side as to how the FORSA software works.

    I was part of an evote where I work 2 weeks ago. Results were locked until the poll closed. We could see the numbers voted in real time. That’s it. That’s the standard. That’s how every evote I’ve ever seen has worked. Why would FORSA have anything different? They really don’t care what the result is.

    Personally I think it’s crazy SIPTU still use paper ballots. Waste of money. Waste of paper. Waste of time.



  • #6816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869018#Comment_121869018

    Ya can but ya dont. The voting process needs to be auditable to prevent challenges to the result.

    Even a hint of that activity would be disastrous



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  • #6817
    Saulgudman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Saulgudman


    How much money was wasted on that referendum I wonder. Surely there is a few more quid in the coffers for a new pay deal if we get another No from the public sector.



  • #6818
    solidasarock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭solidasarock


    The referendum cost 16 million.

    The proposed pay deal is 3.6 billion.



  • #6819
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,254 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/03/12/the-central-banks-positive-prediction-for-real-wages-explained/

    Private sector expected to do substantially better than the public sector pay deal. Not surprising.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #6820
    caviardreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,955 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Still constant spam from the unions about voting - 3 emails in the past week - never remember this before



  • #6821
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭gifted


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121887816#Comment_121887816

    Got my increment this week...point 11 to point 12......grand total of €7.68 a week.....a whole year to get that...sad thing is its the same next year 😭😭😭



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  • #6822
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893110#Comment_121893110

    I really wish people would stop equating this to the pay deals.

    The increments are a pre-agreed pay scale which is supposed to reflect your experience and ability to do the job better, over the years.

    If they did not have this then every job would have to be advertised with a much much higher base salary.

    If anything, they are a massive barrier to attracting people into the PS, as they have to take massive pay cuts to the bottom of the scale. It is very difficult to assign private sector experience to going up the scales, at entry. I was only able to do it because my contracting was into the PS, in the same role I was taking at a permanent basis. All my other experience was ignored



  • #6823
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Unite went 93% in favour



  • #6824
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893249#Comment_121893249

    Quite shocked by that, where I work their stance is usually No as a starting point for everything.



  • #6825
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Im impressed by how quickly they got the results out, last postal votes were allowed on the 8th, so less than 4 days to get them all counted and signed off.



  • #6826
    maneno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭maneno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893249#Comment_121893249

    never expected that percentage 😳. When are all the other unions tallying their results ?



  • #6827
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893151#Comment_121893151

    100%



  • #6828
    Risoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭Risoc


    Forsa 94%. Mad stuff. Civil servants on this thread are not representative, clearly.



  • #6829
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,403 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    TUI 82%



  • #6830
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,254 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121896761#Comment_121896761

    Where are you getting that from.

    Vote only closed at 12:00. Nothing on their website.

    BTW the vast majority of Forsa members are not civil servants

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #6831
    jaffa20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    https://www.forsa.ie/ballot-results-public-sector-pay-deal/

    Time to close thread for another 2.5 years!



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  • #6832
    aidan364
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭aidan364


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121896817#Comment_121896817

    I just got an email from Forsa saying it was 94%. its an electronic vote so the results will be instant. I guess now we can assume the deal has been accepted by the members.


    I will be interested to see what the results of the overall vote will be



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  • #6834
    crinkley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭crinkley


    Oh god now we have to put up with the 90+% of people voted for a pay cut posts.



  • #6835
    bren2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Those figures are little higher than I expected but I expected it to sail through. It was said umpteen times that this thread isn't reflective of the views in the Public Sector at all.

    With such a high percentage (of those who voted) voting in favor of the deal, I think it shows the majority of people think the Unions are doing a decent job.



  • #6836
    Gusser09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I said it all along. Thought it would be as high as 85 percent but not shocked it hit the mid 90's. Teachers also backing it to such an extent says something.

    A good deal despite some of the garbage spouted by the usual sources on this thread. The result really can't be argued with.



  • #6837
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121896993#Comment_121896993

    Of course it's not. We're the online groups.

    Most PS workers just don't care. It's why we can get such a crappy deal throw at us. I had, in vain, hoped that it would be 70:30 to send a message to the union but nope.

    That headline figure is always promoted and is what people accept. It's the same trick as keeping products at 999 instead of a 1,000.

    Brain focusses on the more beneficial figure

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


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  • #6839
    pygmaliondreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭pygmaliondreams


    Shite deal but if such a large majority are happy with it that's that, going to miss reading the arguments here for the next 27 odd months.



  • #6840
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Let's not get too excited. 33% of the Forsa membership didn't even bother to vote and they had to beg to get as many votes in as they did. There is no power in the Unions anymore.

    I voted No, and stood by my principles. I value myself, even if my colleagues don't value themselves.

    This is another bad deal, the Government and DPER won the day here. Mark my words, in 12/18 months time people will be online again complaining of not being able to meet their living costs, not being able to recruit staff, or staff leaving for better paid work in the private sector - yet they'll still vote in a bad deal.

    I was right after the last deal, and I'll be right after this one too.

    See you next time.

    Post edited by Ezeoul on


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  • #6841
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121897070#Comment_121897070

    I know plenty of grade V who are not doing just fine.



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