Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831803#Comment_121831803

Well yes there is that aspect of it. Like car insurance, or house insurance, or health insurance - you hope to never need to claim on it but when you find out you need to, it's too late to go looking to get it then.

Also the income continuance is like a pair of handcuffs once you get to middle age, you leave it at your peril. Especially on class B PRSI - the prospect of spending many years on pension rate of pay with no s/w entitlement is terrifying

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831957#Comment_121831957

Proper order - otherwise it just encourages freeloading. Imagine buying that house insurance policy the day after it burned down, and being allowed claim...

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831957#Comment_121831957

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832327#Comment_121832327

This is interesting. I have heard a Union member tell someone who landed themselves in a spot of bother to join the Union and they'd help. Surprised Unions wouldn't use that as an good reason to attract a new member tbh.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831736#Comment_121831736

The letter states that Unite management were not unanimous in recommending acceptance to members, but it was a majority. Apologies for my mis post.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832934#Comment_121832934

It would be a terrible reason as people would join when an issue arose and drop it when the issue was resolved.

Happened to a work colleague a few years ago, who was annoyed. They had left a few years ago, rejoined because of an issue and swiftly found out there was no help.

It was one of the first things that was said to me by our branch rep, just so you know, if there is an ongoing issue, we can't and won't get involved. I imagine they were used to people joining when something cropped up so we're just heading it off at the pass.

Technocentral

When is the next increase due to hit our bank accounts?

Hotblack Desiato

You mean the one that hasn't been voted on yet? 🙄

Technocentral

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833728#Comment_121833728

Aren't we due an increase from last agreement still?

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833799#Comment_121833799

No

CramCycle

Based on voting, it will be nearly mid to late March before it is agreed (this is presuming it passes). It will still have to have the paperwork done at a Union level, inter Union level and then governmental level, so that is April time. Then the calculations will begin so it will be May before it is even flagged locally. So best case scenario, end of May but I wouldn't hold my breath that it would be the end of June before it hits bank accounts.

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833968#Comment_121833968

They’re meeting on March 25th. It won’t be before that.

May or June paycheck makes sense to me

_H80_GHT

You'd have to wonder ones level of competency in their job if they believe the last pay agreement is yet to finish.

Vologda69

I worked in 3rd level sector once...wasnt a union member. Lost my case at WRC after paying a solicitor. Union saw the merits of my case and agreed to take it on. Later won the case at the Labour Court.

Hotblack Desiato

They presumably thought it would be a precendent for a significant number of their members - and it seemed to work out well in that regard. In effect, nothing to do with you.

aidan364

Email from Forsa this morning which indicated that turnout isn't in line with recent polls but the result so far is in line with previous polls. Turnout must be quite low if they're reaching out. I don't recall anything similar in other years

As we approach the deadline, it has come to our attention that the turnout across some of our branches is currently below that of other branches. While the overall ballot return aligns with previous years, we believe that a collective effort is essential to ensure everyone's voice is heard.

 

Despite the convenience of the electronic ballot and the forthcoming head office email reminders, it is important that we continue with peer-to-peer encouragement. Therefore, we are reaching out to all branches and workplace representatives, including yourself, to actively encourage your members across various departments to cast their vote

caviardreams

is there a sense if turnout is low it will undermine the mandate even if it is passed and make the unions look weak, and reduce their power in the next round of talks?

Grey123

Apologies for the basic question...

How do pay scales and the increases align.

Will each of the below steps increase by the proposed percentages?

How do you move each step? One a year? Any conditions?

It's a local authority position.

Technician grade I

45,189 – 45,913 – 46,858 – 47,807 – 48,735 – 49,679 – 50,539 – LSI 1 52,149 – LSI 2 – 53,781

Ciaran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858865#Comment_121858865

the turnout across some of our branches is currently below that of other branches

So not all branches have identical turnouts? Not particularly meaningful.

caviardreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859068#Comment_121859068

I presume they mean in % terms - maybe union reps / officials have targets for turnout in their branches to show engagement and prove they are doing a decent job?

Daith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859033#Comment_121859033

An increment each year until you get to the LSI ones, in which cases it'll be after three years and then another three years (generally).

They'll increase by the proposed percentages but some of conditions are things like 1% increase or €500, whatever is greater.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859024#Comment_121859024

The ballots are irrelevant as the unions will just sign up anyway.

Remember when the INTO opposed one deal and they just signed up. No further ballot was held.

Hotblack Desiato

Given it's electronic I wonder can they see the votes cast while the poll is still open (all sorts of questions about how the vote can have any integrity, if so)

but Forsa HQ are definitely spooked judging by the tone of their last email.

BOHSBOHS

Didnt FORSA survey its members last year regarding pay deals - and the vast majority wanted FORSA to seek pay increases that at least matched the increases on cost of living/inflation? ........ and yet here they are months later recommending another pay deal that essentially locks in REAL pay cuts - wouldnt be surprised if a decent no vote.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864847#Comment_121864847

People will be more likely to not bother voting than take the time to vote no. They'll just assume it's going through no matter their vote, so why bother.

That's the feeling I get from the, somewhat, desperate sounding mails asking us to get colleagues to vote. The return must be way below what they were expecting

doc22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864979#Comment_121864979

My impression is the no vote is more than the expected and want members to vote yes "The choice is the proposed pay increases - or a return to the drawing board and potentially lengthy industrial action"

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121866189#Comment_121866189

They wouldn’t be allowed open or look at the ballots until it’s closed. If they opened anything before the voting period was over it compromises the entire process.

Hotblack Desiato

Touchingly naive 😀

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121866366#Comment_121866366

The process will need to be auditable.

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121866366#Comment_121866366

If you’re referring to my post, I happen to know SIPTU open them in one go. I was hired to count them before. Unless you’re suggesting they put them all back in envelopes for me to open again?

The process has to be auditable. TUI send them to PWC or something.

It’s tin foil hat theory to suggest otherwise.

skidmarkoner

They are talking about electronic voting, you can have access to the results of a poll while it is on going.

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869018#Comment_121869018

With online voting, the results are locked until it closes.

It entirely compromises the process if anyone can see the results before voting is over.

Its a really standard procedure.