Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

This is the bias bit Bobson......"disliking the conservative and boring design, the shoddy cheap interior, the lack of physical buttons and controls, the enormous depreciation, the horror stories about build quality and reliability etc."

You don't like Tesla, that may be the only "fact" here 🙂

Who cares though. I wouldn't defense the Chinese government. There not a great bunch of lads.

That's the point. No ones here saying they are grand.

I would say the thing that hurts Teslas brand most is that it is a successful Electric car company. The fact that the CEO is a bit nuts, like most CEO's, makes it a bigger target in the media. The media then for their part jump on him because of his association with Tesla

How many people think of Jamal Khashoggi when they fill their cars with petrol? But they see a Tesla and immediately think of Elon Musk?

Note he's even getting heavily involved in Irish politics. So the notion we should just ignore him as being over seas and not to bother about him is nonsense. The whole I don't read twitter is ostrich stuff.

You know whataboutery is a defence , right ? It pains me to have to point that out.

Il give you an example of conviction. If the BYD ceo was engaging in right wing rethoric, spreading lies on major platforms and engaging himself in Ireland social and policitical policies in high public manner by **** would I have bought one.

That's the rub. And you seem to hate that ... mad ain't it.? Pains me to have to write that.

There's a beautiful irony here in you calling someone dishonest. Only a few posts ago you said there's no one here defending musk.

Let me give you a playback.

Poster A "musk isn't a good person he's doing alot of bad work in the US and is pushing ultra right wing ideology"

Poster B response "but what about volkswagen, they helped the Germans in world war 2"

I mean if you're going to call someone dishonest let's start with some self reflection, there's no basis for saying musk isn't being defended in this thread when the above is the quantity of the leveled responses when actually factual information of Musk is raised.

On that basis I have to call you out. Don't sling names around my friend.

Evidently you drive a Tesla (I've no idea) but it's clear from your bug bear you do and you're talking it personally when someone (anyone) attacks its CEO for being right wing puppet head.

You really shouldn't take it personally when someone factually gives out about someone you don't know nor ever will...

You called me dishonest. Simple

Bigotry against the Chinese? Prove it.

Swirling around moving goal posts horse and calling people names. Uncool

God when did this American culture war gibberish make it over to these shores. 'Visionary human being' that is some level of hero worship.

Evidently not. They're currently the worst performing stock this year in the S&P stocks. Where all off the top rated tech stocks have experience various degrees of large growth.

It seems the market is no longer buying the long game fsd speel and has now considered revenues need examining.

Rudderless company under his tenure for the last 2 years.

Looks like real people are actually really talking about it now.

Not just listermint on boards..

Perhaps.

"Growth company with no growth"

Neither did he. Let's cut that stuff out. He acquired these pre existing businesses. He didn't manufacture anything so enough of the revisionist eulogy.

I can't believe someone would write such Americanised nonsense. Cancel culture...Snowflakes....SOCIALISTS....TRUTH....

Do you not see that "cancel culture" is used to dismiss and discredit legitimate criticism of one's actions, painting any challenge as an attempt to erase a person? True accountability for one's actions isn't the same as "canceling". If people disagree with Musk's actions, does that automatically make them a socialist snowflake cancel culture mob? Isn't that the same kind of silencing you claim to oppose?

Your point on mobs of Socialists wanting Musk or other Billionaires to handover all their wealth is gross exaggeration. Advocating for proportionally fair taxation and wealth distribution isn't automatically socialism.

"Defending physical reality"... Seriously? What "physical reality" is Musk protecting? Very vague statement.

Your point on freedom of speech for the Russians..... Obviously you realise the Russia government heavily censors those who are critical those in power. Look at what Musk(self proclaimed free speech absolutist) does to those who disagrees or criticises his inflammatory statements on twitter, he censors them. The only thing he wants is the absolute ability to say whatever he wants without consequences. He surrounds himself with yes men in his various companies and anyone who opposes him is immediately fired or relegated to the sidelines.