March 8th - What’s your vote? Mod Note In Post #677

jackboy · 09-03-2024 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872671#Comment_121872671

Pretty much all parties campaigned for Yes. An election will achieve nothing, the same parties will be in power afterwards, there is no alternative.

Hobby farmer · 09-03-2024 09:57PM

Unfortunately, you are spot on. I'm only a casual observer of politics and that's exactly how I feel. On the face of it I see very little tangible difference in any of the main parties.

Sinn Fein try to sound like an alternative but I think a blind man could see that they are nothing more than a populist empty vessel.

The future is bleak.

pgj2015 · 09-03-2024 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872820#Comment_121872820

I agree with everything you wrote until the last sentence.

"the future is bleak"? come on, you live in one of the richest countries in the world, bleak is living in north korea, Russia, not Ireland.

Hippodrome Song Owl · 09-03-2024 10:35PM

Voting NO for both

The scenes from Dublin Castle are utterly depressing. Fair play to Toibin and McDowell - they deserve to celebrate today, but neither could represent the majority really. But the fringe lunatics and scumbags out celebrating as if they have the people's support is a sad sight. The majority of voters left with nobody in politics to represent their views.

Genghis · 09-03-2024 10:50PM

Voting NO for both

Interesting stat: the care referendum was the highest no vote in any referendum, the family referendum was the third highest. Over 1m people voted no to each amendment.

I think these stats, plus the ratios at play (3:1 and 2:1 No:Yes) puts to bed any talk of the no "minority" simply being more motivated than the yes "majority" who stayed at home, and that the result is somehow not representative of the public's views.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0309/1436988-referendum-history/

Archduke Franz Ferdinand · 09-03-2024 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872690#Comment_121872690

Shinners backed the wrong horse…again

Danzy · 09-03-2024 11:07PM

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873130#Comment_121873130

It will have to be forced on them. They won't do it otherwise.

Roald Dahl · 09-03-2024 11:18PM

Voting NO for both

Michael McDowell has been extremely prominent during this fiasco. And I am liking the cut of his jib.

Maybe it's only me, but I am convinced that the country is screaming out for a sane centre-right voice.

When I look at all the dandy playboys with their ultimate sights on a succulent, tax-free IGO gig and then the whole gamut of indolent, underworked, overindulged, entitled, workshy loafer malcontents that will be making up the next ballot paper at the next general paper...

McDowell all the way.

tom23 · 09-03-2024 11:23PM

Voting NO for both

nah had enough of him during his time with the PD’s. Though do appreciate his role in this referendum which has been epic.

breezy1985 · 09-03-2024 11:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121871011#Comment_121871011

44%

Everyone was saying around 40% so what narrative ?

_Kaiser_ · 09-03-2024 11:27PM

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872987#Comment_121872987

That's a soundbite, not reality for many people.

The country being "rich" because of massively skewed GDP figures doesn't tally when a recent report said adults are reducing their own food intake so their children don't go without. It doesn't tally with people being stuck at home or unable to afford to buy a home of their own. It doesn't tally with not being able to get to see a GP when they need to, or spending hours on a trolley in A&E (having spent hours before that sitting in the waiting room if not critical).

We may not be North Korea or Russia, but then we don't claim to be a 3rd world or dictatorship either. If we're going to compare ourselves to anything, try other first-world modern republics and democracies.

DaithiMa · 09-03-2024 11:47PM

Voting NO for both

The inability of Labour and Sinn Fein to see the potential political capital they could gain by being opposition parties and actually opposing these idiotic referendums says a lot about the calibre of politicians we have in this country. How thick are they? In some Sinn Fein and what once were Labour strongholds the no vote was over 80% for at least one of the amendments and at least over 70% for both.

If ever there was a day that proved that no matter who gets voted into government they would serve up the same old sh1te, this was it. I could never vote for any of the current major parties on both sides of the house after watching this debacle unfold. Idiots the whole lot of them.

pgj2015 · 09-03-2024 11:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873202#Comment_121873202

The majority of the population are still going on foreign holidays, out at weekends in restaurants, pubs, gigs, buying new electric cars, etc etc only a tiny minority are reducing their intake of food, also no one needs to do that in Ireland, st vincent de paul and numerous other charities wont see anyone go hungry.

unemployed in Ireland? the Government will more or less pay you to go study for a few years in college, same for helping you start a business. you wouldnt get that help in most other countries.

as someone said on radio lately, the Irish are like the French now, we live in heaven but we think we live in hell.

walshb · 10-03-2024 12:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872331#Comment_121872331

The whole fooking lotta them at the exact same. A fooking danger to democracy these lot

Repo101 · 10-03-2024 12:10AM

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873262#Comment_121873262

Massive housing crisis, failing health service, can't get a GP appointment for weeks, working people unable to have kids due to affordability, a government more interested in NGO group-think and soundbites than actually doing or achieving anything, houses being thrown up in areas with no GP or school places, a disgraceful special needs system for children, complete mismanagement of services and developing the economy, we can't service the people who are here and the government is spending millions on economic migrants welcoming them with open arms. Sure tis grand, isn't it?

pgj2015 · 10-03-2024 12:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873285#Comment_121873285

You seem to focus on the negative, what about all the positives of living in Ireland?

plenty of working people still having kids.

houses there to be bought if you work hard and use your head and leave Dublin.

10-03-2024 12:16AM

Even with all mainstream parties advocating for yes votes, there were two landslides for no. Neither referendum was even close.

I think trust in politicians and parties is really low now. It has been since the recession and I don’t see any sign of it changing. The electorate are way more volatile now and there’s no sign of it settling.

FF and FG don’t have anything like the loyalty they once had. And they’re not as active as they once were either. FF in particular used to have a v strong grassroot structure. That’s almost gone now, and v few are joining either of the big two with the hope of seeing policy aims realised.

SF and the Greens are the parties with youthful energy now, but the market is wide open for a right wing party.

13 years after the landmark 2011 annihilation of FF, Irish politics still hasn’t found a new normal.

kowloonkev · 10-03-2024 03:44AM

Voting NO for both

Interesting that the so-called "conservative" boards.ie is almost an exact replica of the general public in this vote.

A lot of heads need to be removed from arses this morning.

Milominderbender · 10-03-2024 03:51AM

Heartening to see that a light is been shone on the NGO racket. More people are starting to ask why taxpayer funds are being wasted on paying far left activists who represent no one. Prime example in this case being the national women's council.

retalivity · 10-03-2024 08:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873240#Comment_121873240

Labour's biggest problem is their leader, Bacik is a clown who should really be in the greens. She is as far removed from "Labour" as could be, even AK47 was somewhat more suitable. Her, and by extension Labour were falling over themselves to be ahead of the government that were actually promoting the constitutional changes, regardless of whether it was correct or not, as she/they have to be seen to be most progressive. Was comical hearing her giving out about how it was all the governments fault yesterday.

dulpit · 10-03-2024 10:13AM

Voting YES for both

Bacik is a typical social democrat. What do you think labour should be that makes her as far removed as possible?

retalivity · 10-03-2024 10:30AM

She's a champagne socialist, 30 years of swanning around trinity and the seanad, working for a "labour" movement while living in leafy portobello. Only interested in progressive issues that were typically left (i.e. abortion, gay marriage etc.), forgetting what the name of the party actually means or represents. Labour used to be the only game in town for lefty issues, but have been superseded by the greens, sd's and even sf. There was gains to be made trying to reclaim some working class vote, but they didnt go for it

10-03-2024 10:32AM

Voting NO for both

https://www.newstalk.com/news/lead-by-example-tds-not-charged-for-deposit-return-scheme-in-leinster-house-1649969#Echobox=1710001672

How stupid are our politicians and civil servants. Did they honestly not think to lead by example here. Once again, out of touch.

laketreeroger · 10-03-2024 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873299#Comment_121873299

I don’t know like FG are very similar to FF -either or both have still been in charge since 2011. This rather pointless referendum isn’t evidence of a whole lot in my opinion.

gym_imposter · 10-03-2024 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873262#Comment_121873262

The economy is very strong but that has very little to do with the prowess of FFG

how strong our economy is depends on the trajectory of the U.S stock market, a well trained collie could keep the coffers flowing when tech etc is powering ahead in America

tom23 · 10-03-2024 11:46AM

Voting NO for both

listening to Brendan O’Connor on RTE and he has a female journalist on who mentioned the influence of NGO on government policy and the unhappiness of TD’s that they have this influence. I’m delighted this is been called out. We seriously need to look at the taxpayers euro that’s going to these organisations.

KevMayo88 · 10-03-2024 11:46AM

Voting NO for both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873490#Comment_121873490

The national womens council are a bunch of out-of-touch far-left activists. They are completely removed from the issues and concerns of Irish women. Yesterday, director Orla O'Connor said that even now the NWCI would continue to fight for "equality for women". What equality?

When the national womens council have a man claiming to be a woman on their executive board, then they have descended into farce, become completely deluded and cannot be taken in any way seriously as an organisation that claims to avocate for real women. They are a complete joke, and it is utterly shameful that public moneys are pissed away on funding them and their nonsense.

dulpit · 10-03-2024 12:06PM

Voting YES for both

The way that anti trans comments has forced its way into this thread since the result is quite sad.

freshpopcorn · 10-03-2024 12:09PM

People voted for the marriage referendum and the repeal the 8th for their family/friends/etc and not soundbits from TD's or Organisations in my experience.

Similar with these referendums speak to the average woman/carer/person with disabilities and they were voting No or changed to a No vote.

Glaceon · 10-03-2024 12:32PM

I am voting NO (family amendment)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873949#Comment_121873949

I think the problem is caused by defining politics as simple left and right. In the past, Labour would have been to the left economically (where much of their traditional electorate would have been), but have certainly shifted right since Joan Burton's tenure. Socially they have shifted hard left whereas, from my experience, much of the traditional Labour electorate would have been indifferent or fairly conservative on social issues.

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March 8th - What’s your vote? Mod Note In Post #677