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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Speculative, and mostly incorrect. Got about half-way through ep2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Here is a twist if true. KYIV Independent comment on WALL STREET JOURNAL Claim:

    KYIV INDEPENDENT go on to say this in a reply tweet:

    Claims have previously appeared in other media publications that Ukrainian special forces took part in operations in Sudan and are responsible for strikes against Wagner-backed militants. Kyiv has not publicly confirmed involvement in the war in Sudan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    In terms of military logistics, 2 weeks is nothing. Mavbe a few rapid reaction forces, who are ready to go at any time, but to defend a country about to be invaded against an army (even a badly prepared Russian army) you will need months, not weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Another factor to mention is in a conflict with NATO or the EU, members would be far more strict applying sanctions and probably also sanction counties who are doing business with Russia. Would India still deal with them if it meant no Indian companies can deal with the EU. Russia would collapse economically before long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Dont think thats the reason. In the recent past Wagner were on the ground in Sudan

    And then a possible reason why UKRAINE gets involved from a current article:

    Analysis: Ukraine's deployment to Sudan aims to show that it can fight Russia abroad whilst also indicating that Kyiv wants to create new allies in Africa.

    It sort of shows that UKRAINE will hunt down Russians wherever they are trying to destabalise across the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm not saying all of NATO's assets would be on the battlefield within 2 weeks, what I'm saying is NATO wouldn't sit on their hands waiting months and months until everything is in place.

    They are not going to have aircraft within Europe and bombers within the US sitting idle while thousands of tanks and troops are making the slow journey across the Atlantic/Europe.

    It's not like they haven't roleplayed this entire scenario and haven't planned for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Time for some lighthearted content again……. Because most fun lovers and party goers know that the best place to celebrate the New Year 2024 is Russia!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭green daries


    Lads there's two ifs

    IF Russia was stupid enough to attack a nato country and IF nato got off its hands and took the gloves off.

    Ith the both above happened Russia would be bombed into the stone age in a matter of days Russia doesn't have the air power to deal with Ukraine never mind deal with nato



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,391 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russians just tried to kill Zelensky on his way to meet a Greek government official.


    Edit" link


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    What do you mean it is not “meant” to be hit? Does that apply to other requirements like for environmental protection agreements?

    If 2% were not feasible (esp with previous precedent), it would not have been agreed upon.

    Regardless, from a Carnegie report on the matter in 2015:

    • Europeans underestimate the political significance of 2 percent in the U.S. debate over security commitments to Europe.

    • Americans overestimate the political significance of 2 percent among Europeans struggling with austerity and divergent threat perceptions, which make it difficult to increase their defense commitments.


    The problem is that when the US is the backbone of the organization Europeans underestimating the American political effect is far more consequential than Americans overestimating European effects, as we are seeing today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    The US is again is proven to be an unreliable partner, they go in guns blazing but back out on a whim and leave coalition partners deal with the fallout .. Just remember the Kurds in Syria/Turkey, the shambolic withdrawal from Afghanistan, and now Ukraine. The US wants to be the big player on the world stage, its time they take responsibility and finish what they start.

    NATO provides the US with allies and because of its military power holds an almost guaranteed leading role in the alliance

    NATO provides the US an economic boost by completely dominating arms sales to members and other friendly countries

    NATO provides for the US to have a great deal of influence and power on joining countries.

    The 2% norm needs to be reached but grandstanding lead by that sexual predator, former president is laughable.

    The US without NATO means the US loses a great deal of its influence on the world stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,391 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Well, a NATO Prime Minister was nearly struck by a Russian missile.

    Who is escalating things again?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    OT but the US spent years and billions in Afghanistan trying to train and handover to an Afghan army. I'm not saying it was done for altruistic purposes, but the collapse when they left was down to the (lack of) willingness of the Afghans to fight the Taliban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Yesterday we heard Yulia Navalnaya declined the invite to be at the annual State of the Union speech in front of Congress tomorrow. And we were wondering why. Well here you go, THIS is why it seems.

    Washington Post reports that Olena Zelenska turned down Biden’s invitation to his annual State of the Union speech in front of Congress tomorrow.

    The reason for the snub is that Biden wanted to seat Zelenska next to Alexei Navalny’s widow Yulia.

    So what was Biden and Co up to here one wonders??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,067 ✭✭✭kksaints


    It's particularly crazy as Greece would have stronger cultural ties than most European countries to Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Would that widow be willing to sit beside Trump?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Imagine going for a holiday in Russia in these times!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What we are discussing here is Putins invasion of Ukraine, and nowhere else, not an invasion of Europe which would be a 100% different scenario, as you seem to be suggesting. War gaming is one thing, actual implementing it is something else. The UN-NATO Military manoeuvres planned for 2024 have been several years in the planning. For the US attack on Iraq, they began staging operations late 2022, but the attack didn't actually start until March 20, 2003. The ideal world (and start of ww3) would be to hit Putin's military when it was staging his forces for the actual attack itself, after conveniently finishing his own war games. That would have stopped it dead in its tracks, for sure, but like I said, started ww3. Two weeks advance notice would at best have given Zelensky a small chance to move critical stuff away from the front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Maybe read the conversation, it was in response to a poster mentioning a Russian invasion of the Baltics.

    I notice you left out Afghanistan, they managed to start that within a month, maybe it had a little more urgency?

    An invasion can be planned well in advance it's a completely different scenario than defending. You don't sit there while being invaded to plan on how to repulse them.

    The 2024 manoeuvres are not the first time NATO have trained and it's certainly nott how they would defend. Spend years and years planning while countries in NATO are being invaded. It's training, they do them every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,950 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The Greeks also have a surprising amount of military equipment (owing to their rather bellicose Turkish neighbors). Some of which would be very familiar to the Ukrainians. Might have been a considerable misstep on the Russians' part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Probably Putin showing how much he doesn't give a damm. Prepared to risk killing an EU leader i.e. you could be next Macron..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    My whole point is about the 2-week time factor, and what is possible to do in that time. As you mentioned, it took the US almost a month to respond to the Sept 11 attacks, and this from a Country with the best military in the world. Regarding the current situation in the Baltics, the states themselves are on a high state of alert, the complete opposite to what Ukraine was on pre-Feb 24 2022, and backed up by NATO. They are 100% prepared for any attack by Putin at any time, 2-week advance warning or not. Everything that they need to repulse Putin is already there, ready to go. But what could Ukraine have done with their 2 weeks warning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Well that's one way to ensure an increase in supplies for Ukraine. Absolutely insane, the potential consequences of killing an EU and NATO prime minister. Russia proving yet again there's no line they won't cross.



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