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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    So if Newtownpark has always been backed up why would DLR even consider closing Deansgrange Road Northbound.

    Anyone with a titter of wit would know the traffic would divert to Newtownpark Ave.

    Newtownpark Ave has two schools on it, soon to be three, why would anyone think its clever to send thousands of cars extra a day onto it. Its never been so bad, cant wait for Deansgrange works to be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Those benches are dangerous unless very heavy and bolted to the ground.

    A very overweight woman plonked herself down beside her slight elderly friend and the bench overturned trapping both of them underneath it, Ihad to lift the bench off little old lady, actually thought she was dead, never ever sit at them now, too hard anyway with knee and hip problems to get in and out,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Q1) On a scale of 1-10, how positive are you about the changes in your area?

    Q2) On a scale of 1-10, How many times have you been positive about any change occuring, anywhere, ever?

    Just teasing Maisie, I enjoy your rants. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Elderly people dont buy huge cars, the problem isnt them and their car is the key to an active social life. The problem is narrowing roads so buses, work trucks etc cant pass without difficulty and this affects elderly people badly as vision, judgment etc deteriorates with age.

    Its the sticking of bollards everywhere and when these inevitably get broken they are left in place.

    Why are you so rude about older people and what's wrong with enjoying golf and going to mass, why are you assuming golf goers go to mass, is it because you despise golf club members and mass goers, maybe some have cargo bikes and cycle to the golf club, would that meet your approval.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    That cycle path gets a 1, it should immediately be restored to vehicular use, even DLR have stopped mentioning numbers using it as its embarrassing.

    Its not fair to close Tivoli Road when that traffic will move to narrow roads in Monkstown Farm, are children in social housing not entitled to a traffic free environment too.

    Much better to stick DL and Dalkey bound traffic onto the coastal road, buses too,its a no brainer.

    Also all this apartment building without parking spaces is beyond thick too, new apartment block in stillorgan, units selling for 800,000€ and minscule parking, so many older people in five, six bed houses, want to stay locally but will not downsize if there isnt parking for themselves and parking for visitors.

    No joined up thinking at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Great story Maisie. The mental imagery that it evokes. 😮

    Barking, but we love it.

    Keep up the good works 🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    when your vision and judgement deteriorates it’s time to stop F’n driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,624 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Bollards don't 'get broken' on their own. They get broken by drivers driving over them, the same drivers that would be driving over cyclists if the bollards weren't there.

    Are you saying that older people cycle to mass and to the golf club?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Is that the upgrade thats to remove right turns into housing estates on stillorgan park and the left turn onto the N11 at Stillorgan, this will cause traffic snarl up in both directions.

    The buses which are supposed to take people out of their cars will be caught up in it too.

    As it is drivers are already doing u turns on carysfort ave to get to Stillorgan via Priory and back again.

    The council intend to put a stop gap system on convent road, this will cause mayhem, the montage they are using to promote this shows cool young couples with coffee cups in hand waiting at a plaza outside the gates, the obligatory cyclist without helmet is there too.

    The residents living on the road will see the parking outside their houses relocated to the opposite side of the road, the school applied for this seemingly but told the council it wasnt to be implemented in term time.

    No one will be able to get onto convent road from the village, from carysfort avenue or from Mount Merrion etc, this includes the staff who will have to leave home much earlier, the mummies who like to throw the children at the teachers so they can go to pilates or tennis lessons or a sea swim will be delayed too as unless teacher is present at the door classes stay outside and parents need to supervise.

    Dont think the cargo bike lovers thought this through

    It will probably cost a few hundred thousand to implement and will then have to be abandoned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Doesnt matter who breaks them, if they are not fit for purpose they need to be replaced when broken.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I have no idea how people travel where they want to go, couldnt care less, who am I to pass judgment, I will leave that to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    You need to think about this if you want teachers for your children and nurses, gardai etc.

    Many retired people are providing childcare for grandchildren and providing care for elderly parents.They need a car to undertake this mostly unpaid labour of love.

    Take away the car and the grandmother, its always her,cant help out, if you think the school, health care sector, Garda service is bad you take away grannys car and all hell will break lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I didnt find it funny and doubt if the women who ended up underneath the bench did either, they were lucky they didnt break their necks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭cobham


    Sorry Maisie but I think things have improved in Dun Laoire. I am just back from a wander about. There were maybe 10 benches well secured to ground in front of St Michaels and I noticed more bolted to pavement outside Pennys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,932 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If people are provably a danger on the road to others they shouldnt be driving, for my own grandmother it took 2 major but thankfully not serious incidents before we were able to get her off the road. Tbh i think the vast majority of elderly drivers are the same and they are driving well past when it is safe to but are only woken up to that fact when they cause an accident. It shouldn't take potential fatal incidents to get people off the road it should be done well in advance of that happening.

    If an elderly person who absolutely shouldn't be driving injured or even killed one of your children would you shrug your shoulders and dismiss it if you found out they were on the way to take care of their grandchildren? Because that's the argument you are making in this post, the potential cost of the danger doesn't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    You didn't notice hordes of helpless octogenarians, trapped, shrieking for their very lives, under the immense weight of several toppled benches?


    That is NOT the Dun Laoghaire I know and love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Were you born sarcastic or do you have to work hard at it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Where footpaths and cycle lanes are "shared" on the N11 have a sign that states "pedestrian priority zone", have a look at the area just before the pedestrian lights at Gallopin Green as a case in point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    What a load of absolute nonsense, do you position yourself along the cycleway and count the number of cyclists or just use whatever few minutes you may be there and take that as the average usage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    That isnt the arguement Im making.

    Im saying the roads are being narrowed too much and broken plastic wands are littered everywhere. This is making driving difficult for both elderly people and also for learner drivers.

    You cannot massively increase population numbers and at the same time reduce road capacity, this makes travelling difficult for cyclists, pedestrians drivers and its the cyclists and pedestrians who will fare eorse.

    You have to work with what you have and the cycling provision in Stillorgan Park is adequate for cycling demand, you can cycle off road on both sides of the road, so what if its s painted sign on the path.

    causing huge disruption here to install some sort of a super cycle high way will cause congestion all the way back to Dundrum and all the way to Dalkey, who is going to gain here, it definitely wont be low paid workers who cant afford cars and dont want to cycle long distances to work, they will be stuck on bus connect buses so the bus connect spending will be a waste of money.

    The school children who may have switched to the buses will be late for school everyday so it will be back to the car leaving earlier and earlier, its all so pointless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Get off the bus at stillorgan village and walk to john of gods, the only sign painted on the only path is that of a bike, this is not a cycle path, its a shared path so there should be a pedestrian sign on the footpath too.

    There are far more pedestrians than there are cyclists and footpaths they use should not have bike signs painted on them.

    This is happening all along the N11, its obliterating the presence of pedestrians and the pedestrians are far more vulnerable than the men on bikes, its is mostly men who cycle so their requirements need to be lower in the pecking order than that of pedestrians..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Cycle on it, walk along it, drive northwards on it, rarely see many on it.

    I mean during the day who has time on their hands, retired people, very few are interested in cycling up snd down a freezing windy wet seafront.

    The young people are in school college or working so not to be found out and about.

    As I said if the numbers using the facility were increasing or static DLR would be blowing their trumpet at every opportunity, its simply a white elephant now, causing huge problems on alternative routes and things need to be re assessed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    This is getting surreal



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Those plastic poles are a danger. Especially the black ones. I know my elderly father whacked into one, when they suddenly appeared on the turn down Lower Churchtown Road.

    The roads around Stillorgan Shopping centre are now lethal, they have been made too narrow. Large vehicles can no longer turn out from side roads without swinging across both sides of the road.

    Then you have the wavy black plastic stip dividers. I have seen them half broken, sticking across both the road and bike lanes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    Your third paragraph is categorically wrong. The only way to handle the transport needs of rising population density is by allocating more space for active and mass transport. It is not possible to allocate more road space for vehicles because they are an inefficient use of limited resources. Plenty of cities have tried your strategy in the past and failed.

    You’re partially right that the rate at which cycling infra is being built is greater than the increase in cycling but that’s because we’ve had decades of road building which made it unsafe or undesirable to cycle so now we need to catch up. A cycle lane on one road might not attract many people to cycle there but when it joins into a network of safe cycling routes, that’s when the greatest impact will be felt.

    Those cycle lanes will also benefit Bus Connects because people will be able to cycle the last mile to/from good transport corridors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,709 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There is a perfectly safe footpath along the old Stillorgan Road from Stillorgan Village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Surreal? It's hilarious. I'm still laughing at the story about the 2 old dears trapped under the bench🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,932 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Its exactly the argument you are making, you are saying specifically older people are having difficulty driving with the new conditions therefore they shouldn't be on the road.

    Also like others have pointed out there is finite road space available for cars the only solution to increased population with finite road space is more efficient transport options like bus and trains or encourage people onto bikes by giving them better infrastructure. More cars has been proven time and again to not be a solution to fix transport issues.

    You say the cycling provision is adequate have you ever cycled it? I haven't but i watched someone do it yesterday and the current condition of it is nowhere near safe or adequate.

    As ive said before your attitude stinks of a boomer esque "well i got mine and screw anyone with different needs".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Anywhere the path is shared has a bike sign only placed on it erroneously giving the impression it is a cycle path.

    These paths are shared space so cyclists need to slow down, a painted bicycle sign on a path that pedestrians use indicates that it is a bicycle lane, it isnt,pedestrian signs as well as cycle signs need to be painted on the path to indicate to cyclists that they need to slow down or else cycle at speed in the bus lane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Where did I post about “two old dears”

    I said an older thin lady sat at a bench and her fat friend plonked herself beside her, the friend was much younger, maybe a daughter.

    Anyway the bench toppled over throwing the two women underneath it so lesson is unless those benches are heavy and bolted to the ground dont sit at them.

    And please stop insinuating I have a mental illness, ie barking mad, you can refute points I make without resorting to insults.



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