Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828643#Comment_121828643

IWA seem to have their priorities wrong. Drivers killing a pedestrian most weeks, parked cars blocking just about every footpath in the city, and they've decided to pick cyclists as the enemy.

Big mistake. Huge. Huge.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829931#Comment_121829931

Not on a shared footpath you're not - and there is a yield sign at the end of the cycle lane just before Sycamore Crescent and a shared footpath sign there too.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829998#Comment_121829998

OK fine I'm being a pedant in this case, but my point is that there isn't a requirement for a cyclist to maintain a lower speed than a motor vehicle on that stretch and no pedestrian right-of-way exists at Greenfield Rd. If there is a rule or requirement then please point it out.

While I always give-way to pedestrians traversing the cycle-lane, the close mixing of cycle traffic and pedestrians on a downhill stretch such as this is always risky.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830077#Comment_121830077

Where does it say you can maintain that speed on a shared footpath?

It isn't a cycle lane at Sycamore Crescent. That's where I am talking about.

The chicane at Greenfield Road is a different situation completely - it's definitely a cycle lane there.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830107#Comment_121830107

Actually - feck-it... a speedo isn't mandated on a bike!

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830152#Comment_121830152

Let’s be realistic though - that kind of speed on a shared footpath is irresponsible to say the least.

I have no issue with the speed on cycle lanes themselves but I suspect that if you hit someone at that speed on a shared footpath, you’d be in a spot of bother for cycling without reasonable consideration.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829961#Comment_121829961

Do they?

Any particular reason you are trying to gaslight the Irish Wheelchair Association?

I see IrishCycle.com on the socials today accusing them of scaremongering and staging incidents?!

What next, an egging of Age Action Ireland?

Makes you think.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828643#Comment_121828643

I can’t see what point you are making.

most cyclist will agree that shared spaces don’t work and cycle lanes shouldn’t mix with bus stops.

Mav11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829198#Comment_121829198

There is already a pedestrian path and cycle path on the stillorgan park, its not a shared space for most of the route both ways.

True, but the section from Coppinger wood towards Carysfort has to be the worst in the country. It is one of the very few sections where I will go off the cycle way and onto the road. It's safer.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828724#Comment_121828724

at least we have this for posterity if you have ever do hit someone.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831355#Comment_121831355

Frame it. It will look retro by 2030. 👍️

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831412#Comment_121831412

Legend.

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828724#Comment_121828724

It's crap like this from a tiny minority of cyclists that gives the rest of us a bad name. Catch yourself on

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830077#Comment_121830077

There is a requirement to ride your bike with reasonable consideration and if what you are claiming is true I don't think anyone would say you were obeying that. Tbh I don't think its true and you are for some reason just trying to make yourself seem impressive to random strangers on the internet.

cobham

Surely the law of the sea applies here in that big ships give way to small boats... one of my first driving lessons included advice about driving defensively and to imagine your gran might be sitting in the middle of the road as you turn a corner. Even tho I am a bit deaf I think all bikes, scooters even electric cars should have some audible indication of their approach... and please can all bikes/scooters have decent bells/horns. Back in my youth I remember the craze for 'clackers' on the wheels of bikes that came free with box of cereal!

10-10-20

I'm being an antagonist to get my point across. It's part of the natural discourse and a way of effectively highlighting what I see as a significant design problem.

Take as another example the layout of the northbound cycle lane after Greenfield Park (by RTE rather than Greenfield Rd up by Applegreen), you're expected to route out of the bus lane and onto the shared path for a number of meters before turning once again to go alongside the bus lane on a raised lane, before fully rejoining the bus lane and having to avoid the bus stop only meters ahead.

What cyclist in their right mind follows that layout only to put themselves into a position where they are firstly potentially jostling with pedestrians on the shared path and then having to complete a merge into the bus lane (with vehicles turning left further on), when the more natural flow would be to remain within the bus lane and avoid a series of compound movements, potentially 'at a suitable speed', on a main artery into the city?

It's been known for years that traffic is safer when flowing linearly and lanes are clearly marked and merge-points are eliminated and drivers can observe the flow of traffic by looking ahead and using observation and expectation to navigate the roads. Personal opinion: Much of what we have as cyclists within 2kms of RTE isn't linear and isn't safe. I've had close misses with traffic on that particular stretch, very few if any were my fault, but were created by a lack of observation on the part of pedestrians and vehicle drivers as they didn't expect or allow for cycle traffic.

And no, I'm not looking for DLRCC to implement stupidly excessive plastic bollards akin to Newtown Park Ave, - I say this as both a cyclist and a driver - that's just hideous and I agree with Mazie on her point in that respect. Plastic bollards do have a place, I say that having passed the cyclist's accident scene at Greenfield Rd back in 2017.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831955#Comment_121831955

Yes, and it does to a point in terms of duty of care, but braking distance is key. I'd rather be in a position where I have both faith and control of my own brakes rather than trust in the observation, reaction-time and then the braking distance of another vehicle and driver.

maisie45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831601#Comment_121831601

Unfortuneately its not a tiny minority of cyclists, its too many and cyclists like this on electric bikes are even worse.

I actually think some cyclists think the cycle lane there in is continous and lights dont apply to them, crossing the Blackrock by pass the other day, wait for pedestrian light, wait for cars to stop, presume cyclist will stop but she sails on through , its downhill there so going very fast, I can move out of her way but had to drag pal with me.

These people are belting round the local park too, the kissing gates have been removed so they ate entering and exiting the park at speed, I pointed out to the council that this would happen and residents association are constantly complaining about it.The other issue is widening the paths and putting cycle signs on one side and pedestrian signs on the other, this means cyclists believe they have the right to cycle as fast ad they like in their “lane”,some are on electric bikes and they dont even stop at the footbridges, one of them is going to end up splattered on the bridge, I couldnt care less, just dont want a pedestrian, maybe a small child to be hurt.

And of course not a park ranger or Garda in sight.

maisie45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829883#Comment_121829883

Why are you showing me pictures of wide road in Belgium, what relevance does this have to narrowing roads so much cars are squeezing past each other.

The paths in your pics are wider than the road space some roads in DLR will be left with, these are roads carrying thousands of cars every day.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832495#Comment_121832495

It would come as a shock to most cyclists that DLR Park Bye-laws have a speed limit of 10 Mph.

I had a cyclist shout at me last week that I was in his way on a one meter wide shared path and cycle away. It is madness not having proper segregated paths.

parks_bye_laws.pdf

maisie45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831143#Comment_121831143

can you not slow down or get off your bike and walk that bit, I think the large bicycle sign is painted on the ground there too, no idea where the bus passengers and other walkers are supposed to walk.

This can be rectified without destroying the local area by turning it into a carpark.

I go through the park anyway and its all bit first world problem, Im sure like me you are more than capable of cycling on a road.

I mean do you actually support the traffic chaos that will be caused just so you can get a better cycling lane, seemingly what DLR council are going isnt even National Policy,they are doing their own thing, using their unfortuneate residents as guinea pigs in some mad experiment, creating huge congestion all over the place thereby increasing emissions.

Its not as if people actually want to cycle that much, the weather, the short days, everyone so stressed and busy,the steep climbs make it very difficult too ,out and about today, lovely morning, passed about five cyclists,can guarantee you there is very few on that coastal path in DL either, its a nice weekend thing in the summer, get out the dryrobe and the bike,drink the coffee and go home again, but is it worth the chaos its causing elsewhere.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832514#Comment_121832514

You were telling us what Belgian cyclists wear. You got it wrong.

BKtje

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828724#Comment_121828724

35km/s ? I really doubt you're hitting that speed as Nasa would surely like to speak to you if you could manage it 😁

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832542#Comment_121832542

Read that bye laws that You posted. They only relate to the parks and not road, cycle paths or shared spaces

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832567#Comment_121832567

Would you expect a driver to get out and push his car? That

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833686#Comment_121833686

Read the post they were replying to, it specifically referenced cyclists in parks

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832567#Comment_121832567

Are you seriously asking cyclists with disabilities who's bike IS their mobility aid to 'get off and walk that bit'?

Would you ask a wheelchair user to 'get off and walk that bit'?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830631#Comment_121830631

You think they should evade any critical analysis because they're a charity or something?

Of all the possible issues impacting wheelchair users in Ireland today, including access to footpaths, access to buildings, public and private, access to housing, access to schools and colleges, access to recycling machines, access to sports, access to entertainment and lots more, they decide to have a go at infrastructure for cyclists, using a cyclist who doesn't have their own bike as their antagonist.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833686#Comment_121833686

Yes. Read the post from Maisie I responded to.

maisie45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833524#Comment_121833524

Is it not broad daylight in those pics from Belgium, why would anyone wear lit up high vis jackets in daylight, is there some intelligent point im missing.