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Civil Service - Post Lockdown - Blended Working?

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  • #2552
    lbunnae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760430#Comment_121760430

    Bore off mate. Wasn’t even responding to your post or calling you lazy whatsoever. On second thought though an entitled 30 min tea break? Piss taker. The page is about blended working in the civil service , not some agony aunt story about one of your Tuesdays. End of. jeez.



  • #2553
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,741 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760621#Comment_121760621

    You can be certain that the poster will be taking a longer lunch break (at least 30 mins) as well as the tea break.

    So there's nothing illegal about it.


    And the work being quantifiable is irrelevant: Unless the poster is a piece-rate worker, the employer is paying for their time.



  • #2554
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760621#Comment_121760621

    Come on, It's Mrs O Bend Over, Boss, For I, Your Worshipful Employee, Am Here To Perform Your Ablutions! What else would you expect?!

    Covid? Get back to work, you malingerer! WFH? The sky will fall in! People won't work and will steal all the data, which can be prevented when people are in the office because managers are there to see what you're doing and they can see literally when you're on your phone, that's what managers spend all their time doing, isn't it! Redundancy? Again?! Good for the soul, I love being made redundant, me, shows me my place in the world!

    ( /s just in case it's necessary)

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  • #2555
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760873#Comment_121760873

    https://www.forsa.ie/other-benefits/workplace-rights/breaks/

    Oh, look. You're wrong. Again.

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  • #2556
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,741 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760952#Comment_121760952

    The legal entitlement is a longer tea break OR a lunch break. Not both.



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  • #2557
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761247#Comment_121761247

    "These rest breaks and intervals may be varied if there is a Labour Court-approved collective agreement in place or if a regulation has been made for a particular sector." Seeing as civil servants work a 7-hour day, and have collective agreements in place, and you're private sector, I repeat - you're wrong. We get a tea-break, and a lunch break. Most of us don't take a tea-break away from our desks most days (it's a Friday thing in my last two places of work), and none of us take the 1 hour 15 minute lunchbreak (I have no idea why that's a thing), but that's what for flexi is for.

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  • #2558
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760933#Comment_121760933

    Still baffling that poster was a mod on this forum.



  • #2559
    reggie3434
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭reggie3434


    ….

    Post edited by reggie3434 on


  • #2560
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,741 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761956#Comment_121761956

    Do you get a 30 minute tea break?



  • #2561
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh FFS.

    He didn't take a "30 minute tea break".

    He took 30 minutes to eat something and use the bathroom after a very early start and after spending over 3 hours in traffic to get to work, which has been explained as an exception to the norm.

    If a 30 minute visit to the canteen before turning on their computer was an every WFO day occurence, it would be a problem. A once off, after a particularly difficult and stressful commute is not something to get in a flap over.

    Can we move on please, instead of indulging this BS?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


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  • #2562
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    image.png

    American, and private sector, but no different here.

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  • #2563
    caviardreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,265 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    The obvious answer to all the above is move to a new job that provides what you are looking for. That's your responsibility, not your employer's.

    Too many people "blame" their employer for everything they don't like when it's their own responsibility, as they have chosen to stay working there.



  • #2564
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Not civil service, but any judgment from this case could potentially have implications so will be interesting to see what happens.


    https://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-aircraft-leasing-employer-sued-dublin-office-6298682-Feb2024/




  • #2565
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121770154#Comment_121770154

    Given that the employer in this case had no issue with the employee working from their home in Clare for years even pre-pndemic, it sounds to me like this sudden claim for them to WFO in Dublin 3 days a week, is contrived to get rid of them for some other reason - which the article also vaguely alludes too.



  • #2566
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121770075#Comment_121770075

    I was, of course, able to predict who had "thanked" that post. 😁

    My employer has a perfectly reasonable blended working policy that's sensible, logical and flexible. Most, not all, of the public sector does. It's mostly middle-management in the private sector that seems up in arms about it. And those who signed expensive leases on office accommodation, pre-Covid. And editors who want to sell advertising in commercial property supplements.

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  • #2567
    caviardreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,265 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121770805#Comment_121770805

    I am making the point that employers (especially private sector as you seem to focus on in your reply above despite this thread subject) are perfectly entitled to set the best location for their business needs as they deem them to be themselves (which is not necessarily the same as employees see them). If employees don't like it, they are not imprisoned there, and can vote with their feet and work else where.

    Workers have full power and agency to change their situation by changing jobs, it's just a lot of people don't like that choice as it's a harder option to take on the challenge of a new role than complaining, blaming and moaning that it is somebody else's fault rather than a result of their own choice to stay working there.



  • #2568
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,163 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751759#Comment_121751759

    Why don't you transfer on mobility to NCSE or OPW in Trim? You'll have a five minute commute on your non-WFH days.



  • #2569
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121772996#Comment_121772996

    Yes, they are of course entitled to do so. And employees are entitled to go "Your reasons for having everyone in the office (if you even present any, unlike, say, Elon Musk) are bullshit." And some will walk, and some won't.

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  • #2570
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Civil Service in the North actively planning for the future. While down south we csnt even get consistent flexi rules across Depts. Bit of a joke really.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-68358234




  • #2571
    blackbox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭blackbox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799847#Comment_121799847

    They're probably also planning to cut their numbers by 40%.



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  • #2572
    BlueSkyDreams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800010#Comment_121800010

    I wouldnt say so. Its just cost cutting by getting rid of office space and maintenance costs/heating etc.



  • #2573
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800010#Comment_121800010

    The public service in the nother has huge numbers, and won't be reducing them any time soon, for very obvious reasons.

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  • #2574
    crinkley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭crinkley


    Not to mention they offered redundancy not too long ago and it didn’t save them the money they thought it would



  • #2575
    Dubjane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane


    Does anyone work in DFHERIS? Are they only based in Stephens Green and what is the blended work pattern? Thanks



  • #2576
    Lynnington3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Lynnington3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806339#Comment_121806339

    My partner works in DFHERIS in Tullamore , not sure where the other locations are. It’s officially 2 days in office , 3 from home.



  • #2577
    Dubjane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806496#Comment_121806496

    thanks and can they work up flexi time at home?



  • #2578
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806339#Comment_121806339

    FHERIS also still have people at the Marlborough street Department of education buildings


    2 days in office at least



  • #2579
    Lynnington3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Lynnington3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806664#Comment_121806664

    Nope, only in office



  • #2580
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,094 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's completely crap how there's still that inconsistency between depts. My wife and I both have 3 days a week WFH, I can work up hours at home but she can't.

    I can work up 11:30 with ease (same as I did almost every flexi period when fulltime in the office, often losing a few hours, i.e. working for FREE 🤔 ) but even working up one flexi day for her is quite difficult, and she's much less annual leave than me to begin with so flexi days are valuable.

    If it's still a 'trial' then there should be an end date set for that trial, and criteria for assessing the success or otherwise of that trial. As far as I know, no depts/offices which allow flexi hours accumulation while WFH are looking to remove it, it's working fine, so why not allow everyone to have it?

    Total silence from Forsa on this issue

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • #2581
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,094 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760873#Comment_121760873

    Again your lack of knowledge is exposed.

    In the civil service the working week is 35 hours net, i.e. not including lunch.

    Lunch break is a mandatory 30 mins, but can be up to 2 hrs, and is unpaid. One must clock out. If one does not clock out, 2 hours will be deducted.

    Officially breaks are 15 mins morning and afternoon and are paid, one does not clock out. However it's been 20 years since I've done anything other than make a cuppa and bring it back to my desk.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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