Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

A lot of the changes people want to make, they are thinking of it from an intercounty level. But they need to be changes that can be implemented at club levels, when there is just one official at a lot of games.

Refs cant count the steps players take, do you think they will be able to count the amount of hand passes? Will players? And keeping players inside their own half or the oppositions, refs dont have eyes in the back of their heads.

I have read back all the posts made here since the start of the year. One person made a suggestion, its was harpsman:

Personally I’d have a rule of keeping at least 4 players in each half and no hand passing between the 45s to bring back the kick pass

We have had posts from various others saying it needs to change, but I dont see much suggestion. Im not deflecting but I am also not seeing much in the way of suggestions that can be incorporated at every level of the game, not just intercounty.

I’m afraid pg these people are just close minded Wont admit reality.

You will get some guff about the handpass and it’s rules but totally ignore the fact that it’s more like basketball than football.

As you pointed out a team held the ball for six minutes, and I’m sure the period I highlighted vs Tyrone was close to that.

Then you get people coming with rubbish and denying the game is on its last legs unless some sensible soul takes action.

Why am I enjoying the league so much if it that poor? I mean last year the Dublin v Derry games were tight - div2.

This year so far div1 has been good.

I mean all the neutrals with an interest in football will be glued to Dublin v Kerry this weekend - shouting for the team they hate the least.

Yeah completely forgot about he Sigerson - good example, happened upon that on the telly was into the second half and I got drawn into it. Even though I had no allegiance to either team.

I always think that is great sign if you casually watching and get drawn into a game. If the game itself was in a really poor state it just would not happen.

Empty vessels make the most noise, you have about 50 posts complaining, repeating the same point over and over but never offering anything constructive.

Its shite, we get it.

It seems to me you only want one answer, and when you do not receive it insinuate that people are blind and closed minded, if they don't think the game is "dead/gone". Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.

The reality is football has evolved more in the last 20 years than it had in the previous 100 years, there is nuance in the game.

Yes some teams can over do the passing ( I would prefer a forward handpass rule) but most of the good teams vary their style or at the very least have perfected one style.

The reality is before football innovated most of it was headless chicken stuff even in the 90's. It basically was the fitess strongest team won.

You have to a remember that when Kevin Heffernan brought in the roving forward role in the 1950's he was classed as a cheat!

"Heffernan amongst them. In 1955 Heffernan began playing as a roving full forward for Dublin. By dropping deep, he found the space he needed to link up with teammates, gather possession and swerve past lumbering full backs. He ran amok against Paddy 'Hands' O'Brien of Meath, long considered the best full back in Ireland, in both the 1955 National Football League final and the 1955 Leinster football final."

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That was the mentality innovation was frowned upon. some people wanted the status quo to stay the same. 15 on 15 and lamp it as far and as high as you can. Static positions.

Time moves on, people learn from what is around them and ask is there a better way that others have not thought of?

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It is not lost on me that even in GAA analysis the graphic of a team is the "traditional" 1-15. When even decades ago there were teams with mobile forwards and some played with third midfielders etc.

These days we have sweeper keepers and even midfielders by trade playing in goal, I just think your mindset is of an era time has forgotten, when there were posts blocking views, people wore their sunday best at a match etc.

Why do people keep going back to the fifties and referring to ‘lamping the ball’

big spiels about Hecko and roving full forwards.

FFS fix the hand passing, fix the tackle and you have a game!!!!

Thats why I have to keep repeating myself, I don’t need history lessons however well intended.

I would love if they trialed in the pre season and the league next year a no hand passing rule just to see how it would work, does anybody think this is a feasible idea?

He hehe heh. Don’t be delusional my friend… rattled!! Far from rattled

Im with the same game I started with, my friend, and it won’t change

Overuse of the handpass, will eventually kill the game as a spectator attraction.

Eventually they will be forced to act.

People forget that the quick hand passing didn't come from nowhere, it was a reaction to the mid 2000 "puke football" where teams were swarming the player in possession, they had to move the ball immediately or get bottled up. Limit hand passes and you are right back to the swarm defense again. None of these things happen in isolation, so just saying "limit this" always misses the bigger picture.

For myself, I'm one of the few who sees some value in the forward mark, teams should be rewarded for kicking long to a player who created space for himself. The problem with it currently is that they don't have to kick it long enough. I would change it so that the mark can only be called inside the 13m line. That would make it more difficult to achieve and would reward those who can dominate in the air or the good forward who can create space for themselves, and take away the cheap marks around the 45.

Alternatively, change the mark itself so that it doesn't need to be from a kickout, but can be from any pass inside your own 45. That allows teams to very quickly break out of those situations where 28 players are in one half of the field, just go over the top to a player who can win ball and who doesn't get isolated because he has a mark. Teams would have to react by leaving more players back in defence.