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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    it'll be America .. i mean ireland first and such. Ireland for the Irish and lashings of xenophobia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Let us hope that pandemic of racist stupid politics never gains power here .... Foambrain in America and Netanyahu in Israel is more than enough for the world to make the otherwise odious Putin look good ... Gemma Serena Joy and Commander Fred Waters and Dolores Cahill ... even her own given name scares me ... no thank you ....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo



    Tell me you are a Sinn Fein online supporter without telling me you are a Sinn Fein online supporter post

    No mention of policies, make a few snide comments at the other poster. Talk about fear. Tell everyone Sinn Fein will be in government

    Isn't it time you changed the tactic and tried something new?

    Have you anything to discuss on topic/policies or just more comments about posters? it's getting extremely boring that you seem incapable of understanding what SInn fein policies are or what the opposition parties are.

    I don't need another post about fear or snide comments by the way 👍

    Post edited by Clo-Clo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "gritty details"

    No just an opinion on a policy. What you post is about fear and nothing of substance

    Anyway no need for more back & forward on it. I’m moving on

    Post edited by Clo-Clo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    isnt it incredible that some one making the claim that the activities of sf effected you badly would still be such an ardent supporter .

    Stockholm syndrome - Wikipedia

    And I actually did grow up during the latter years of the troubles and remember well the near daily atrocities, I guess i had more clarity as to who was murdering and bombing and claiming it as in my name.

    sf murdered their way to where they are now and reminding ye of it does and will continue to shame and embarrass ye , that seems to be why there is usually such a back lash from the "on line army" when the crimes of your past are brough up .

    There's always a min to remind folks that sf are first and foremost an organized crime gang controlled by who knows which contains many people who were never brought to justice for murders bombings and other crimes and are to this day protected by sf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I wonder who the son of a former politician, arrested in Kerry for his involvement in a drugs cartel, could be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,878 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Ionraice


    Agreed. If I can find a party willing to control immigration, they have my vote.

    Neither SF, FF,FG,Greens, Soc Dems et al will get as much as a preference. Hard right parties will get no preference, either.

    I'm really struggling to believe that there is so much groupthink on immigration that its a real struggle to find a candidate who has moderate views on immigration.

    Of course, we can all predict the raft of promises to control our borders from every political party before the election...


    Too little, too late, imo!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,351 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    You seem to have a real hard on for all things SF, are you a councillor or even a TD for that party?

    Secondly its not a given that they will be in power after the next election and there is no way of knowing if they will do grand and we will be better off.

    Its kinda ironic you say other people talk bollocks when you are doing quite a bit of it yourself.

    Oh and just to add I'm not a member of either FF or FG.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    The polls say otherwise. 30% of those polled said they'd be more likely to vote for a TD who was against immigration, 20% said they'd be less likely while 40% would make no difference. I think any party who simply say, and do, implement the current rules will be fine and it won't be a big issue. There's still been no real increase in support for the parties further on the right.


    SF can't shift position and it will go completely against all the other left wing parties who they are looking to go into government with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    I think they have made recent mistakes critising the Gardai after recent riots

    i also think requesting an amnesty for tv licence dodgers - like it or not it’s the law

    they didn’t request a refund for payers !



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it is the person being speculated online, that will bring further unwanted association with criminality to the party concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    I am a SF voter - I have never hid that. Who I vote for doesnt shame me. Whats an 'online supporter'? Is a SF supporter whos online also an 'online SF supporter' or does an 'online SF supporter' have some kind of special role in your world? Wouldnt that mean anyone who supports SF and is on the internet is a 'online SF supporter'? Would that apply for everyone then? Arent you an 'online supporter' of whoever you vote for?

    See what I mean about you being vague about things?

    Why would I have anything to discuss on SF policies? It's yourself having a hernia over those. I already asked you to define exactly what policies you are looking for and maybe then you could going looking for them yourself

    Outside of that do you think Im going to read your mind, find out what policies you need details on and then go find them for you? You're afraid of SF getting into power. More power to you. Personally I dont really care what you think or who you vote for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    'a real hard on'. You seem to have your slang from whenever sexism was popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    SF were murdering 😂 I had to stop after that. Where were you brought up Mike? Which county in the north?



  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SF are currently 19 points behind the current government, and dropping. They are going to need to do more than spout platitudes if they are to arrest that fall and get into Government. Even you, a declared supporter can’t tell us anything about what they will do, or how they are going to do it, which will make undecideds vote for them. Being the alternative voice will not be enough if Mary Lou and the minions keep spooking the electorate or equivocating on the important issues of the day. At the moment SF don’t seem to be getting any of the big things right, and that isn’t good a year out from an election. If their support continues to tank, don’t be surprised if the government parties decide to call an early election, if SF can’t get in now, when will they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,319 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep. 2 further own goals.

    Encouraging people not to pay the license, when its a legal responsibility to do so, just says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    the current government being FF, FG and the Greens. That's three parties. Even IF they party support went below that of FF or FG, Im sure they'll still do well.

    Im not here to tell you anything about SF - in fact how dare you assume I have to do anything at all for you. I basically cant be arsed for one, and secondly you are again referring to vague 'policies' that none of you have defined as yet. What policies in particular are you on about anyway?

    The government SHOULD be calling an early election - look at the state of the place. I'd wager none of the three would fare well - but we'll have to wait and see. Nothing you have typed above makes any kind of point, other than you are comparing the votes of three parties against one and thinking thats some form of accomplishment. Outside of that what exactly are you saying? If they keep losing in polls the gov will call an election? I say great! do it now!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    tv licence is outdated. you'd agree with that i suppose if any other party had put the idea forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored




  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do understand how elections work? Losing support is not the aim of any party with aspirations of governing.

    That’s my business, it won’t be SF, they are bluffers who appeal to those who are easily swayed by policies which they cannot substantiate.

    When you ask a supporter, what policy makes you want to vote for SF/ what makes you think they can achieve it? and they can’t answer, you know that all the supporter is hearing is the siren call, they haven’t a clue what it means. That isn’t a failing on your part, it’s a failing on theirs, but voters should be asking those questions. Those that are, are seeing through the BS, that along with all the high profile recent missed steps means their election result is likely to suffer rather than improve as support bleeds.

    The policies which are most topical at the moment, housing, immigration, law & order, cost of living. Can you tell us about what part of their policies appeals to you most, and why you think they are going to achieve what they say?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I refer back to my previous post, you missed the part at the end it seems

    I don't need another post about fear or snide comments by the way 

    Even when called out on posting snide comments you can't even respond without snide comments. Keep bashing away on that keyboard, Im sure someone is impressed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am repeatedly surprised by the number of SF voters and supporters online who claim to have no real idea of what policies the party stands on. From carbon tax to immigration, the silence is stunning.

    One supporter claimed to have been duped for 50 years by the main two parties, it seems now that SF are able to dupe supporters into voting for them without them even knowing what the party stands for.

    I voted Green in the last election, will be voting Green in the next election, happy to discuss their policies on the relevant thread, some of which I agree with, some of which I disagree with, but at least I know what I am voting for. It seems others are voting for SF because they are different and they are republicans but know nothing else of their policies - that does sound foolish.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Journee Fluffy Meteorology


    And I'm surprised by you believing a Starmer-led Labour or the Republicans stand on principle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Never said that they stand on principle, but we know what they stand for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,319 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If it is deemed outdated, you can legally change the method of funding. Thats ok.

    But until that new method of funding is in place, you keep revenue generation via the license as is, so there is no deficit incurred and everyone remaims compliant with the law. Thats the constant.

    Encouraging people to break the law and not pay the license, before the new funding system is introduced, is populist in the extreme and the question has to be asked, if they can encourage people not to pay the license fee, what other laws could people be encouraged to ignore?

    Its a massive own goal as any right minded person will see the implications here. And they go way beyond the license for your TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    im pretty sure they were proposing to legally change it, but its 'encouraging people to break the law' ....

    ah yeas, another person who will slag off anyone who admits to voting for SF, but hasnt the balls to pin their flag to the mast. Do you understand how solid party support is built? It certainly isnt by running after the voters who dont believe in that party.

    I dont need to see what polcies SF might come up with to vote for them. Im pretty confident, they - like any other party - will reveal their policies for government when they are ready. You can look at the 2020 manifesto to keep yourself up to date until they publish a new one. Chuffed you want to know what I think, but since you wont even tell me who you'll vote for I dont think I'll tell you anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you are surprised quite a lot by the sound of things. I know what the party stands for - I just cant predict what their policies might be. As I keep saying, read the 2020 manifesto and you can see what they are offering. Go look up their proposed budgets each year. Stop demanding I tell you anything as I dont have to tell you ****. The info is there if you want to find it.



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