The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778552#Comment_121778552

Eventually the electorate will want those specifics, therein lies SFs greatest weakness. They will be asked to provide specifics about their policies, if they had them, surely they would have used them to batter the current Government. SF seem now to be relying on the less intelligent, more gullible of the disaffected masses.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778552#Comment_121778552

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An excellent description of the Sinn Fein online supporters, abuse people online, abuse TD's online(Please note I am not saying you have for either group), share loads of nonsense online

Make accusations about people and groups

Yet talk about Sinn Fein politics, no chance

Thank you, at least you admitted the agenda instead of jumping around it for years and thousands of posts.

Wasn't it you posting about "orange catholics" and "taigs"?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779092#Comment_121779092

The poster in question is jumping around on every political thread telling everyone how great Sinn Fein is, yet will never engage on a discussion about their policies. Seems kinda strange doesn't it? but it is the standard from all Sinn Fein supporters. Happens across all threads.

Talk about people hating Sinn Fein, fear of change, the usual "shur they can do no worse", etc etc etc

But whatever happens, they will not engage on a discussion on their policies

Ionraice

Am I the only person here wondering when uncontrolled migration became a centre right policy, and wanting control of your borders became a hard right position.

From my viewpoint, Ive always considered my views to be centrist.

Yet, I find myself disagreeing with both the centre right, and the left on migration.

It seems to me that both FF and FG have swung left of centre, both on migration, and "progressive" issues. Meanwhile, SF have edged very slightly right on the same issues.

The Green party are the tail wagging the dog on environmental issues.

So, who is there for the traditionally centrist, common sense, supporter to vote for now?

None of the main parties are anywhere near centrist. Im not a fan of "everyone out but the Irish" hard right nutjobs.

So, where can we find a centrist party nowadays. The choice is left, or hard right, from where I'm standing.

Sinn Fein present themselves as an option for change.

I dont see it. All I see is more of the same.

"We'll build more houses, and provide more hospital beds" is the promise of every political party.

Really? And if you do, are the Irish taxpayers going to benefit from any of them, is the question I will ask every canvasser approaching my door, tbh.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778636#Comment_121778636

tell me now how any poll can say they know any person really voted for SF. A Poll asks for people opinions. I could answer a poll and pretend I voted SF and now I hat them etc etc, yet in reality be a rabid anti-shinner.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779147#Comment_121779147

ah go away with that rubbish. Name me one party who are in opposition that has finished policies ready to roll in government. Its not strange. Find the policies you dont like, tell me what you dont like about them and maybe we could discuss what they have in their manifesto but otherwise sir, you are just talking bollox there expecting people to answer your vague questions.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781014#Comment_121781014

Oh the online supporter starts now with the bad language.

If you don't have the manners to discuss a topic decently then jog on a chara. Nobody is impressed with keyboard warrior and certainly not me.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781005#Comment_121781005

Youre really clutching at straws now fella.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121778636#Comment_121778636

That's probably because they are mostly working class, rather than just because they are SF voters though.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781080#Comment_121781080

A recent poll had class breakdown and showed that the SF voter base was wildly more anti immigration than the traditional working class was.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781080#Comment_121781080

True, but if most working class folks are SF voters, the conclusion is the same.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763345#Comment_121763345

sfs only contributed to taking the country from war to peace in the way that they stopped killing people themselves , to announce that as something to be proud of is funny dont you think in a sick kinda way ?

as usual long on bolster light on substance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781014#Comment_121781014

Has there ever been an election where the opposition party hasn’t detailed how their policies differed from the incumbents?

Their policies/manifesto are light on detail, anorexic in fact.

God almighty, there is going to be some crying and gnashing of teeth done on here after the next election when Mary Lou comes back from the park as the first female Taoiseach and leader of the first left wing government in irish history.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782305#Comment_121782305

Which party do you think is going to be the minority partner?

Dick phelan

To really make gains over the established parties you have to really differentiate yourself. Sinn Fein increasingly look fairly similar to the current government, and worse in a lot of ways.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782640#Comment_121782640

They have made massive gains over the established party in less than a decade. In the 2016 they had 14%, in 2020 they had 24%. In now they polling well ahead of the other two parties. Given that Ireland is centrist country, really differentiate themselves from everyone else clearly isn't a vote winner.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781014#Comment_121781014

The Republican Party in the US, the Labour Party in the UK, hundreds of parties around Europe, it is only Sinn Fein in Ireland who don't have a clue what they will do in government.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782705#Comment_121782705

You can add Fianna Fail and Fine Gael to the list of parties who dont have a clue what to do while in Government.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782756#Comment_121782756

Why? This is the Sinn Fein thread, that is why we are talking about them.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782760#Comment_121782760

Because they dont. You were the one who provided a list of parties other than SF. I thought I'd simply add to that list.

Kermit.de.frog

I'm sure not I want a country that swings left and right every election cycle like other countries. I think it's better for Irish governments to stay centrist/pragmatic and deviate within that space rather than wild swings.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782705#Comment_121782705

Starmer has ready to go policies (or "oven ready" as Boris used to say)? haha

He's rolling back his previous pledges every day.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782800#Comment_121782800

To remain electable, Labour generally move towards the centre, it will take them a while to undo all of the damage that corbyn did (which was generally make them look somehow less able to govern than the tories).

SF have been doing the same thing and it looks like all the lefties have just started realising it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782926#Comment_121782926

Thorough nonsense.

Labour membership skyrocketed under Corbyn making Labour the biggest party in Europe in terms of membership.

Turncoats, led by Starmer, made Labour less appealing than the Tories.

The worst thing Corbyn ever did was seek the counsel of Starmer, Lammy and Rayner.

Margaret Hodge gave up the pretence long ago.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782760#Comment_121782760

because you're making silly statements. If you think FF or FG have everything worked and planned in advance out for their stretch in government whilst in opposition, then youre mad. Im sure though if you worked your way through the SF website theres enough articles on there to give you a general gist.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781024#Comment_121781024

tell me you don't have a point without telling me you don't have a point. Keyboard warrior 😂. I was simply making the point that its up to you to educate yourself on these matters and not be acting like some 10 year old demanding that someone else does. its an endless circle of whataboutery. SF will get into power, they'll do grand, we'll be in a better position at the end of their tenure than the start, you'll be feeling really really foolish and we'll just move on from there. Im not here to defend SF, convince anyone to vote for the or frankly give a an iota what anyone thinks. You be you, I'll be me - just dont be posting rubbish about a party you clearly despise but know very little about bar the guff governments and media have feeding your for years. Jaysus, like the fear IS real it seems.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782224#Comment_121782224

thats not what clo clo and co are looking for. they want the nitty gritty details.

Could you give me an example of say, something Labour has available in their published policy and SF dont? I always though all parties were light on detail until they get into power. even then they have to make a plan to get things to work. Im sure if you knew what policy info you wanted that wasnt available, you could contact SF and they'd get it for you. county councillors are very responsive for that kind of thing.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781981#Comment_121781981

of course mike. I believe you believe all that and more power to you, but its a terrible misrepresentation. I have no idea of your upbringing etc, but its a bit low to be talking like that and horribly simplifying a complicated conflict that people suffered through. I grew up through that as did many others and our childhoods and more than likely mental health were ruined, just so people who have no idea of the realities outside of what they were told by the telly can downgrade everything to being 'proud' of murder. Yeah - theres something sick there alright but obviously not what you think.

lumphammer2

I would be interested in seeing who those who drop off voting for SF end up voting for ... we have a major problem if it is one of those wannabe Handmaid's Tale nutter parties ....