Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

"You think spending an extra billion will allow us to close our borders?"

I never said, again please read my posts more carefully to close our borders! If it takes a extra billion to control not close our borders vs billions upon billions on supporting AS and IP coming here then yes it makes more sense.

"Our sea border is roughly the same length as the US southern border. They spend 25 billion per year trying and failing to close theirs."

If you're comparing the US southern border with Ireland then you're missing a very obvious geological feature, we're a Island. The US is completely different with borders to Ireland.

"That's before we get to the cost of detaining, either here or abroad, law abiding people who for the most part are willing to work."

Willing to work, that's economical migrates your trying to interject here. We're not allowing our borders to be opened to people destorying their passports or IDs on arrival. If people want to work apply for Visa's and are approved that's no problem as I said many times.

"I really don't think, given an informed choice, this is what Irish people want when it comes to immigration. I suspect what people really want, first and foremost, is an end to the shocking waste of keeping people in private hotel rooms."

People arriving are being put in private hotel rooms because we're no accommodation left especially when people are arriving without a cent to their name. The Government is handing out these contracts to many businesses in the tune of billions. The Irish people want our borders controlled much better and more pro active then the complete mess our current government is standing over. Again Denmark, Ireland and Poland have a clause to refuse many arriving here but our government is completely ignoring it.

2.1 of the treaty

https://ichr.ie/irelands-legal-obligations-regarding-asylum-and-immigration/

You're dead right, save more than you earn and you might, just might make it on to the bottom rung of that property ladder that is quickly being wound upwards.

What a rock of sense! Everyone just needs more time and to save more than they earn. Simple.

They have a right to be here, indeed. But that right quickly and abruptly ends after 90 days.

About time these 'glorious' EU rules were implemented in the 'spirit' of the law. (Freedom of movement in the EU (citizensinformation.ie))

No

Not necessarily. The 3 month rule is in relation to job seekers. They cannot get benefits after the 3'months if they haven't found employment.

if an EU citizen is here and working, if they lose their employment, different rules apply.

Ireland's obligations to immigration

https://ichr.ie/irelands-legal-obligations-regarding-asylum-and-immigration/

Read 2.1 of the treaty still stands.

2.1 Treaty of Amsterdam

In general, the law of the European Union applies to all 27 member states. However, occasionally member states negotiate certain opt-outs from legislation or treaties of the European Union, meaning they do not have to participate in certain policy areas regardless of what laws the EU may put in place across the EU. Currently, only three member states have such opt-outs: 

• Denmark(2)
• Ireland(2)
• Poland (1)

Ireland has an opt-out from EU legislation adopted in the area of freedom, security and justice. This allows Ireland to opt in or out of legislation and legislative initiatives on a case-by-case basis in these three specific areas.

The Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union at Articles 67-89 confirms that freedom, justice and security include the following policy areas:

• Asylum;
• Rules concerning external borders;
• Immigration policies and policies concerning third countries’ citizens;
• Combating illicit drugs;
• International fraud;
• Judicial co-operation in civil matters;
• Judicial co-operation in criminal matters;
• Customs co-operation; and
• Police co-operation for preventing and fighting terrorism, drugs trade etc.

What this means is that Ireland is not bound by EU law in the areas of immigration or asylum, but where the EU makes a legislative proposal in these areas, Ireland has three months to decide whether they wish to opt into discussions. If they do not opt-in, they are deemed to have opted-out, and discussions simply go ahead without them. Any legislation which is adopted then binds the other Member States – but not Ireland.

Same here. Down the country too. They'd have you believe Ireland was some sort of childish innocent land back in the day - these self appointed pontificators would think they are some sort of saviours rescuing Rural Ireland from Stockholm Syndrome. Little do these types realise though, do they?

Yep, well done. That's the EU regulations.

we are are also bound by domestic legislation, where the country brought the Geneva Convention into legislation here.

Well done you, very different to the norms. My friend was in a mother and baby home in the 90s.

Lay off the wine cheesecake, archive.org is a totally different site to wikipedia.org - different functions totally. One thing I really, really love about archive.org is that it snaps what was said and freezes it for time evermore. One of the best sites out there for catching hypocrites on the hop! ;)

Not really though. Your anecdotal observation of a 'friend' is not the reality for the majority of Ireland's population in the 90s. Most, if not all of people in Mother and Baby Homes - especially in the 1990s - were sent there on consent from the family involved. Sling your hook with those families who took that decision.

Could you provide a link to the Geneva Convention into legislation please. You've asked about our obligations to immigration in which I provided the link and details above, we still have the EU regulations in agreement as I said Denmark is using that too.

No idea what this posts means, please post relevant posts that everyone can respond to

My point exactly.

No, there was never an Irish law that stated unmarried mothers must be sent to such a home. It was entirely on behest of the family involved at the time. I can understand the bitterness and resentment of those unfortunate victims involved at the time - but trying to apportionate blame onto the government of the day is well wide of the mark, and frankly does little to further the cause for justification.

Yeah a TD preaching to the comverted who's party has about 6 seats says problems in health and housing which successive governments have failed to find a solution to will all be fixed by the SDs.

She was elected by a single vote last time and her seat is far from safe so might not be even there to do anything next time round.

Also worth remembering they were invited to be part of this government but refused to do so.

The birth rate was very steady up to the start of the 80s and then it takes a roller coaster dive and never recovers.

It's some coincidence if it's not because of the legalisation of birth control.