Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

It would be way worse without immigration.

Thousands in Dublin marching for a war going on since before Christ was born.a poor turnout in drogheda.sums up the country today.wait till the state starts bringing in hamas refugees in their thousands.will the lefties be out with the red carpet for them

country is finished

Leo's an EU federalist...

Hmmmm, weren't you the poster calling for an EU Border Force to implement your policies a few pages back?

https://www.facebook.com/TheIrishPost/videos/20-year-old-leo-varadkar-1999/10157472016123452/

"I'd certainty like to see us integrate more with Europe" , "I'll probably be a federalist on European issues"

"Hmmmm, weren't you the poster calling for an EU Border Force to implement your policies a few pages back?"

Yes I did, I've no problem with a European task force enforcing the borders, absolutely no problem with that. More said "my stance" rather than polices on helping and or assist with the immigration issues.

Who exactly is looking for 'open borders '?

not the EU who have a working border control

'Frontex was established in 2004 as the European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the External Borders and is primarily responsible for coordinating border control efforts. In response to the European migrant crisis of 2015–2016, the European Commission proposed on 15 December 2015 to extend Frontex's mandate and to transform it into a fully-fledged European Border and Coast Guard Agency. On 18 December 2015, the European Council roundly supported the proposal and after a vote by the European Parliament, the European Border and Coast Guard was officially launched on 6 October 2016 at the Bulgarian external border with Turkey.'

So seems the EU don't have an open border policy.

Ireland controls it's own borders, and are not even a member of schengen.

so who is it exactly that has an open border policy? And can you please link to that policy?

When Varadker opens his mouth I with off.

Well it's absolutely condoning the acts of arson, trying to suggest that it is someone else's fault other than the actual arsonists!

Holly Cairns spent just over a minute of a half hour speech talking about immigration earlier on this evening.

Ireland is not full she says.

Who are the anti immigration posters?

Name them.

"I've seen several anti-immigration posters on here claiming that their candidates and spokespeople aren't getting their voices heard in the media."

It's not anti-immigration, am all about controlled immigration and so are many here. We're asking for a proper control on the border either it be local and or EU wide.

"The more I learn about this topic I see that wealthy and powerful countries such as the UK, US and Australia have struggled to enforce deportations, because of countries refusing to accept deportees, or the difficulty of ascertaining where people are from."

Because people are destroying their passports/IDs before presenting themselves to border control. Continuing to reward people destroying their documents will only encouraging more to do so!

"I don't think the Irish public really wants any of these harder solutions, whether because of cost or the inhumanity involved. Neither, I think do we want the huge cost of hardening our sea borders, or the cost and complexity of enforcing border control with NI"

The cost? we're spending billions upon billions on accommodation, welfare supports and services already. Again if it costs an extra billion to enforce our border to control AS arriving at our shores because it's necessary then YES! vs billions to house, feed and support failed AS and IPS then It needs to be done. Am sure the North and South can collaborate on this issue.

"I think we need to bring this debate right out in public. Deportations, asylum caps, and 'turning people back at the border' sound like easy solutions but I think people need to know what going down this path really looks like."

People have been asking for a debate and were labeled far-right before, I agree we need to discuss immigration and how to reform the system.

It was still very restricted until 1992

You think spending an extra billion will allow us to close our borders?

Our sea border is roughly the same length as the US southern border. They spend 25 billion per year trying and failing to close theirs.

That's before we get to the cost of detaining, either here or abroad, law abiding people who for the most part are willing to work.

I really don't think, given an informed choice, this is what Irish people want when it comes to immigration. I suspect what people really want, first and foremost, is an end to the shocking waste of keeping people in private hotel rooms.

"You think spending an extra billion will allow us to close our borders?"

I never said, again please read my posts more carefully to close our borders! If it takes a extra billion to control not close our borders vs billions upon billions on supporting AS and IP coming here then yes it makes more sense.

"Our sea border is roughly the same length as the US southern border. They spend 25 billion per year trying and failing to close theirs."

If you're comparing the US southern border with Ireland then you're missing a very obvious geological feature, we're a Island. The US is completely different with borders to Ireland.

"That's before we get to the cost of detaining, either here or abroad, law abiding people who for the most part are willing to work."

Willing to work, that's economical migrates your trying to interject here. We're not allowing our borders to be opened to people destorying their passports or IDs on arrival. If people want to work apply for Visa's and are approved that's no problem as I said many times.

"I really don't think, given an informed choice, this is what Irish people want when it comes to immigration. I suspect what people really want, first and foremost, is an end to the shocking waste of keeping people in private hotel rooms."

People arriving are being put in private hotel rooms because we're no accommodation left especially when people are arriving without a cent to their name. The Government is handing out these contracts to many businesses in the tune of billions. The Irish people want our borders controlled much better and more pro active then the complete mess our current government is standing over. Again Denmark, Ireland and Poland have a clause to refuse many arriving here but our government is completely ignoring it.

2.1 of the treaty

https://ichr.ie/irelands-legal-obligations-regarding-asylum-and-immigration/