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NPWS deer liscense application goes[totally?] online

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  • 03-02-2024 3:22pm
    #1
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭


    OK some good points here. One is losing the contrary to the Wildlife acts minimum 100 acre requirement.

    Would like to know why they now want a photograph with your application?

    Like everything technical and computer-driven these days and looking at you, HAMS. Expect glitches and screwups before this beds down properly.

    http://irishdeercommission.ie/deer_hunting_licence_online_portal/?fbclid=IwAR3KSBKFlZzkZiZtxmsR6FRc5PQd4QwGNWlf1bdjTikcDVllCKoj2Hh380c

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    garrettod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Is there sufficient comfort around data protection, including your photo?

    Thanks,

    G.



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    #3
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    A question that has to be asked by us and our deer hunting organisations.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #4
    kunekunesika
    Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭kunekunesika


    No landowners permissions required?

    Just a promise to only hunt where you have permission.

    So the permissions required to get the firearm licence won't be vetted by npws for deer?



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    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭keith s


    In fairness, removing the 100 acre is (in my mind) a good step.

    For lads trying to get in to deer shooting this was a big blocker.

    Any hunter should already know that they can't shoot where they don't have permission.

    Big number of deer in some areas causing issues and the 100 acre requirement blocking people getting a licence to shoot.



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    Rescueme0007
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Rescueme0007


    Has anyone received txt messages or Whats App messages referencing the deer license renewals, purportedly from "housing" and/or "heritage"? I have had three and I'm not at all inclined to trust them.



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    Cass
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    @Rescueme0007 Yeah.

    First one I thought was a scam, then a few days later I got one saying saying the first was sent in error, ignore it as the online portal is not fully up and running, but I'd receive a new message in the coming weeks when it is.

    I didn't click on any links, just in case but it seems to be legit with many other lads getting the same messages.

    If in doubt, never click on a link in an email or message and instead go onto a browser and go to the NPWS site yourself.

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    #8
    Rescueme0007
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Rescueme0007


    I too am very cautious with unsolicited emails, texts, WhatApp etc., so I shall contact the NPWS by 📞 tomorrow and confirm or deny!



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    Asus1
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    Ive dealings with the npws and they are incorporated into the department of heritage and housing overseen by minister Malcolm noonan so they're probably legit contacts.



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    Rescueme0007
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Rescueme0007


    Spoke with a nice lady on the NPWS switch board this morning, she did try to connect me to staff, but all I got was a voice mail. Subsequently received another email requesting that I ignore the previous ones as the system is not active yet. That leads me to believe they're legitimate. Time will tell!



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    #11
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    ANy updates on how this system is progressing?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    lmk123
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭lmk123


    I’m thinking of buying a rifle for deer as they’re a nuisance to say the least around here for myself and neighbouring farmers. I already have a .17 and a shotgun. Is this new online system any easier / quicker than the previous one, I was going to get a rifle for deer this time last year but just didn’t bother when I found out about the courses and all that rubbish that had to be done. I saw a nice rifle last week in my local RFD but they won’t even take deposits on deer rifles because it takes so long to jump through the hoops the first time.



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    #13
    TheEngineer1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971829#Comment_121971829

    You'll still have to do the courses unfortunately



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    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭keith s


    They won't take a deposit?

    I'd be going somewhere else so!

    What happens if you get refused, will they give your money back, you need to confirm that with any RDF or anyone you buy a rifle from.

    I'd do the course, then put a deposit down and slap in rilfe licence application.

    You could also, do the course and (when it's available) complete the NPWS deer hunting application, using a friends rifle (I think). Then when you get that back, you can put a deposit down and slap in the rifle licence application.

    That way you can demonstrate a need for the rifle (deer hunting) and can include the deer hunting licence with the application.



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    lmk123
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭lmk123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973839#Comment_121973839

    yeah that’s what he said, it takes too long for licenses to come through so they won’t keep a gun that long except it’s fully paid for. I was probably going to put a deposit on it there and then but he made me think twice about it and if it’s worth all the hassle and expense at all.



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    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭keith s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973860#Comment_121973860

    It seems a long road ahead, but just do one thing at a time and you'll get there. Book the course, that's (I would say) the first thing. After that you can take your time and decide what you want to do, but now you have 1 less (Big) blocker.

    Deer stalking is great crack, it helps farmers, puts food on your table and it's a few hours out doing something with a mate, son, daughter....

    So, if you are to ask me, it's definitely worth the hassle 😂... Now ask me that when I'm dragging a yoke up a hill or through a forest and I'm might have to take a minute before saying Yes, it's still worth it!



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    #17
    sthilmick
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭sthilmick


    ANY news when the 2024/2025 application form is coming online ?



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    #18
    Grizzly 45
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    Figured this would happen like most things Govt depts in Ireland.

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    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    lmk123
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭lmk123


    do any of ye know if the deer hunting courses are ran throughout the year or just during the summer before the start of the season. I want to do the course and know there are some available during the summer but I can’t commit during the summer, bad time of year with the job and farm unfortunately.



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    Squint.89
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    There is one on in Tullamore next weekend and one in Kerry in August

    If you look up the NARGC webiste or one of the Deer associations pages you will see them update every few weeks with courses. There is a link to the one next weekedn in Tullamore, Co. Offaly https://www.nargc.ie/events/nargc-deer-stalking-course-co-offaly-2



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    #21
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Next countryside sports Ireland one that you could do is 13th /14th of July in the Midlands range.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    otmmyboy2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087313#Comment_122087313

    They do them year round, contact CSI or the IFA and ask them for courses around months that suit you.
    Since you mentioned you farm, the IFA also do a discount for the course if you are a member.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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    #23
    Rescueme0007
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Rescueme0007


    Don't be put off by the obstacles. The deer stalking course is enjoyable and not very expensive, once you have that completed, get the details of the rifle you intend to purchase and submit the application for the deer licence (most difficult part is getting the folio numbers from the landowners), they come back with the licence pretty quick (all online). Once you have the deer hunting licence prepare and submit the application for a firearms licence. You implied you have land of your own and that the neighbours are keen to see the deer reduced, so there ought not to be a problem. The NPWS and the government are keen to see the numbers of deer reduced so it ought to be relatively stress free. Hope it works out for you.😊



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    #24
    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭keith s


    I understand that they are no longer looking for the 100 acres .. that you now just have to sign to say you will only shoot on land you have permission on!



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    #25
    lmk123
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭lmk123


    Perfect I’ll give them a ring, I’ll just have to get my arse in gear and do it because I’m thinking about it long enough at this stage, just a pity it’s 2 days long, all good info to have, thank all 👍



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    #26
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    UPDATE. Had a chat with the head of CSI yesterday at MidlandsRR RE the online application.It should be apprently trialled this week coming for a demo to the relevant deer organisations and then go online mid/end of May.

    I expressed one point that should be hammerd home to NPWS when demoing this system and tweaking it. A security and data protection issue Re having all deer hunters' licenses with pictures floating about. Obviously, the idea is that somehow NPWS will be able to check a picture of someone in the field with a central database by some electronic device EG PDA or phone etc? Be a right bummer for all parties concerned NPWS,AGS,and the hunter if one of those devices is lost or stolen and falls into the wrong hands of antis or criminals. All that info is totally outside a controlled environment of an enclosed computer system.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #27
    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭keith s


    Endpoint management [MDM. MAM], been around a long time and works well for lost,stolen devices .



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